February 26, 1901

CON

James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

I wish to dispel any doubt that may be in the hon. gentleman's mind with regard to the statement appearing in the Auditor General's Report. If he will turn to that report, page S-13, at the bottom of the page he will see this item :

Dominion Atlantic Railway and Steamship Company, six months, Dec. 31,

1898 $379 27

It seems perfectly obvious, from inquiry into the matter since this discussion began, that there has been, and is now, overlapping which caused what hon. gentlemen are now claiming as the deficit of the past. The same state of things that obtained when the Conservatives were in power, still obtains. I am not laying down the irrevocable rule that the Minister of Finance laid down, that all these amounts will be paid at the end of the fiscal year. I am simply pointing out that they are not, and possibly cannot be. This is not an exceptional case, but is one of many.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

1 explained some time ago, that, in spite of every effort to include all accounts for the year in the public accounts of the year, that there were at times unsettled accounts that could not be adjusted before the Finance Minister closed the books. That will ever occur. This is an amount of something over three hundred dollars

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CON

James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

It is only one.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

My recollection is that in this case questions arose

between the department and this company. It would appear that some old system had existed, under which the company were paid a proportion of the postal revenue for carrying the mail. This led to a controversy, and probably made it impossible to close the account within the fiscal year. Isolated cases of this kind must always occur, but, substantially, all the expenditures for carrying on the service of the department for the fiscal year are disposed of in time to be included in the accounts of the year. I have given most explicit instructions to the accountant of the department, and have not the slightest doubt that those instructions are lived up to as far as possible.

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CON

James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

Does the hon. minister know that where there are contracts for the season of navigation, the service must be performed partly in one fiscal year and partly in another ? I think I can point to several cases, showing that the case I have given is not an isolated one at all. Of course, these are somewhat exceptional, but it is out of these exceptional cases under the late administration that the hon. minister has tried to make capital. He seeks to lay down one rule for those who preceded him and another for himself. Whether there has been greater laxity in one case or the other, may be open to question, but the same state of affairs that formerly prevailed still prevail.

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CON

Ernest D'Israeli Smith

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SMITH (Wentworth).

I desire to ask the Postmaster General if he has taken into serious consideration the application that I understand has been made to him by the H. G. & B. trolley line to carry the mails twice a day to and from Hamilton ? At present they are carried by the Grand Trunk, and the people living along the line get their mall from the adjoining offices on the following day. But, if it were carried on the trolley line they would get it the same day.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

That application, I think, has been forwarded to the officers in Toronto for their report.

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IND

Robert Lorne Richardson

Independent

Mr. RICHARDSON (Lisgar).

I would like to refer to the question of the salaries of rural postmasters. I think the Postmaster General might well discriminate between the class he refers to as farmers, who take the post office merely as an accommodation to their neighbours and distribute the mail matter among them, and the class of postmasters who keep the post offices in villages and small towns. As a matter of fact, these men in many cases, have no revenue except from the post office. Their remuneration, as the Postmaster Gen eral will admit-I remember he admitted it a year ago-is very small, ranging sometimes from $200 to $500 a year. Many of these provide a building for the accommodation of a post office and keep the place heated, yet receive no remuneration for

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. MULOCK.

doing so. There was a very general complaint a year or two ago that, owing to the reduction of the postal rate from three cents to two cents, the revenue of postmasters was reduced. I brought the subject up in parliament last session, and, if my memory serves me correctly, the Postmaster General observed that lie thought the revenue would still be practically the same. I am still Informed by postmasters that they suffer on account of the reduction in their revenues. I would re-echo the sentiment expressed by one or two other members here to-night that the Postmaster General might well consider the desirability of reducing the salaries allowed to postmasters in large cities, like Toronto, Montreal and Winnipeg, where postmasters receive from $3,000 to $5,000, and possibly more, and allow the rural postmasters some extra allowance or increased rate. I feel strongly on this matter, because I have been memorialized in this matter in many cases, and asked to press it on the attention of the Postmaster General.

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CON

Alfred Alexander Lefurgey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LEFURGEY.

The Postmaster General lias expressed himself as willing to do justice wherever a case presented to him has been made out. There is in my riding a case which was supposed to have been brought up by the member representing the constituency in the last parliament, the case of Abrams Village and Cape Egmont. In that locality there are 400 or 500 voters, and of course a much larger population, and they only have a mail twice a week. These people have been asking for better mail accommodation for some time; I do not know whether the matter has been brought to the attention of the Postmaster General. There are also in this locality a number of factories along the shore, and the population is considerably augmented during the summer months. There are also a number of cheese factories, and in Abrams Village a number of stores. These people have a grievance in being deprived of a daily mail. It is only about five miles to a railway station, and there is every reason why there-should not be a daily mail to that locality. The country served by these post offices is fifteen or twenty miles in extent, and I notice the revenue is nearly treble the salaries received by the postmasters. I would like to have some assurance from the Postmaster General that this matter will receive his attention.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

I can tell the hon. gentleman that the matter will receive careful consideration. If application has been made to the department, I am sure it is now receiving attention. Since I have been in the department there is no instance that I am aware of where such application asking for increased service has not been dealt with on its merits, looked into and disposed of favourably or otherwise. That is the invariable practice, and

takes place automatically. With reference to the observations of the hon. member for Lisgar (Mr. Richarson) suggesting that tbe salaries of the city postmasters should be reduced so as to increase the salaries of country postmasters, I fear 1 should not have the support in such a step of the hon. members for West Toronto (Mr. Clarke and Mr. Osier) and Centre Toronto (Mr. Brock), as well as members from other cities.

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CON

William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROCHE (Marquette).

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. Mr. HAGGART.

This item may afford me an occasion for asking a question of the Postmaster General on a subject that I have seen noticed in the papers, I refer to a statement that he is making negotiations for the purchase of the Great North-western Telegraph Company. Is there any intention on the part of the government of acquiring possession of the telegraph lines throughout the country and attaching them to the post office system ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

I am not aware of any negotiations being on foot for the purpose of acquiring the telegraph lines.

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CON

Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

The Postmaster General, in answer to some observations made a moment ago by the hon. member for Lisgar (Mr. Richardson) suggesting that the salaries of city postmasters be reduced, thought that the proposition would be opposed by the city members. I have no objection to voting the salary to the postmaster in the city of~ Montreal, some $4,000, because I do not consider it excessive. I would like to ask, however, in this connection, the hon. Postmaster General if he has considered particularly the state of the letter carriers in that city. Every one knows that living in the city of Montreal is probably the most expensive living for men of that

class to be found in any part of the Dominion. I have made representations on several occasions to the hon. Postmaster General, and I would like to know if he intends to maintain the salary of the postmaster in that city while giving no increase whatever to the letter carriers. I don't see any hon. member representing the city of Montreal here who would corroborate what I have just said in regard to the wants of that class of people, except the hon. member for St. Lawrence division (Mr. Bickerdike), and I have no doubt he will bear me out in what I say that there is urgent need in the case of these employees. I am very sorry that I cannot have corroboration from other members from that city.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

I have no doubt that if other hon. members were in the Committee at the present time they would be able to express their views. 1 would say that none of them has ever asked me to reduce the salary of the postmasters or the letter carriers of that city. The maximum salaries of all these officials are where they were for many a year. 1 would, however, remind my hon. friend of the position of the hon. member for Lisgar (Mr. Richardson), in reference to the reduction of the salaries of city postmen. The hon. member for Lisgar suggested that the reduction of salaries of city postmasters might lead to giving better salaries to other classes in the service, and I said that probably if he were to seek tne views of certain hon. gentlemen in the House, for example the hon. members for West Toronto and Centre Toronto, he would probably find that they would not be in harmony with him in that view, therefore, I could not get unanimous support from that side of the House if I were to propose such a reduction of the salaries of postmasters.

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IND

Robert Lorne Richardson

Independent

Mr. RICHARDSON (Lisgar).

I would like to ask the hon. Postmaster General why I should seek the views of other members here or consult with them with reference to any policy. What business have I to seek the views of any hon. gentleman in this House ? I act within my rights as a member of this House, when I get up and state what my views are in regard to this subject. I do not know what he means or what he wants. I want to ask the hon. gentleman right here what he means ?

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

When my hon. friend suggested that we should reduce the salary of the postmasters of Toronto and Winnipeg, I simply sought to point out to him that he would encounter the hostility of the members representing Toronto.

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IND

Robert Lorne Richardson

Independent

Mr. RICHARDSON (Lisgar).

It has nothing to do with me what other hon. members may do or say.

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The POSTMASTER GENERAL.

The hon. member for Jacques Cartier (Mr. Mr. MONK.

| Monk) refers to the point of increasing the salaries of letter carriers. Probably my hon. friend was absent from the Committee when I answered the hon. member for West Toronto (Mr. Clarke) on that point.

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February 26, 1901