April 9, 1901

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

Unless they mark them No. 1 Canadian this section would not apply.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

In the first place, you say that all fruit must be marked with the designation or grade, it does not matter whether it is first, second, or extra quality or any quality. That, I take it, applies to all the fruit that is included in this Bill. Therefore you cannot exempt any kind of fruit from sections 6, or 7, or 8. I understood the minister to say that unless it is marked best, or extra good quality, it would not come under section 8 ; but they have got to mark the quality.

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The MINISTER OP AGRICULTURE.

But they need not mark it extra good.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

But there is either, first, best, or extra quality, these are the three qualities. But section 4 says you must mark the package with the grade of the fruit.

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The MINISTER OP AGRICULTURE.

Yes, but if your fruit is not of extra good quality you can mark it medium, or mark it second, or whatever you like. You must mark the grade, but you may mark it second grade.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

But suppose you do not mark them at all ?

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The MINISTER OP AGRICULTURE.

But you must.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Then you are amenable to the law and liable to a fine if you do not mark them ?

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The MINISTER OP AGRICULTURE.

No doubt.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Then if you mark it something, it must be first quality or some other quality, and unless it comes up to the standard that is set for first quality, then I think you are liable to a fine.

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The MINISTER OP AGRICULTURE.

If you mark it second quality and it comes up to second quality, you would not be liable to a penalty. If you mark it first quality and it is found to be only second quality, then you are liable to a penalty. If you mark it XXX and it is found to be of a quality indicated by X or XX, then you would be liable to a penalty.

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James Clancy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLANCY.

Section 4 provides that all fruit must be designated of some quality. Now, suppose a man marks his apples XX ; according * to this Bill it absolutely does not determine anything, because it might be precisely the same quality that is marked X by his neighbour, and the one not knowing at all how the other marked his apples. I would like to ask the hon. gentleman how it is possible to carry out the provisions of the Bill under such circumstances unless it is declared that there must be some mark specially indicating the quality. If that be the case then it is quite clear that punishments will be visited upon those who offend against the law. If you must have some mark and that mark means anything in most cases I do not see how it is possible to work that out.

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The MINISTER OP AGRICULTURE.

That is just the object covered by section 8, and it is thought to be pretty completely covered by it as far as any definition of what we do not know can possibly do it. We do not know what marks different traders may put upon their fruit, but if any one puts a mark upon his fruit which appears to indicate that it is specially good and it is not so, section 8 would cover that :

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

whereas if we define only certain things as marks that were going to be covered by this Bill, then, anybody who did not put these marks upon his fruit, but who put other marks upon it intended to deceive, would not be liable to the penalties of the Bill. We think that section 8 covers that point.

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Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

I would suggest to the hon. minister to exempt from the operation of this law wild fruits, such as we have in the province of Quebec. There is no doubt that it is intended to apply particularly to garden-grown fruit.

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The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.

Yes.

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Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

The possibility of applying the Bill to fruit grown in the fields or in the woods would be very great, and I would suggest to the hon. minister to exempt wild fruit entirely from the operation of the law.

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The MINISTER OP AGRICULTURE.

What words would the hon. gentleman (Mr. Monk) suggest to cover that ?

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Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

I think the words * wild fruit ' in general would cover it.

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The MINISTER OP AGRICULTURE.

Would the hon. gentleman's idea be covered by these words : ' Fruit not wild fruit ' in sections 6 and 7 ?

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April 9, 1901