May 9, 1901

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

How long is it since that report was made up ?

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William Forsythe McCreary

Liberal

Mr. McCREARY.

This is up to the 30th of June, 1900.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

I understand that the Calgary and Edmonton road runs one train every other day.

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William Forsythe McCreary

Liberal

Mr. McCREARY.

I can tell the hon. gentleman that the Calgary and Edmonton road run four trains a week on the regular service and that they are running two trains a day special for immigrants alone now.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

How long is it since that has been done ?

Revised edition

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William Forsythe McCreary

Liberal

Mr. McOREARY.

It starts about the loth of March and will continue probably to October.

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William Forsythe McCreary

Liberal

Mr. McCREARY.

It is going on now, and it went on last year. There is just one other matter that I would like to refer to. The hon. member for Alberta, the other night, made some rather serious reflections on the Galicians and Doukhobors. I took occasion to write to Edmonton to get some information in regard to this class of immigration. The hon. Minister of the Interior has to-night made some statements conveying some of the information that I got, particularly the statement that the Galicians in the Edmonton district had purchased $150,000 worth of new machinery. 1 would like to read to the committee an opinion from a newspaper published in Edmonton which goes to dispose of the assertion of the hon. member for Alberta that the statements I made were incorrect, because as he said I did not live at Edmonton, and he did.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

May I ask the hon. gentleman (Mr. McCreary) if he wants to go into the discussion of that matter now ?

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William Forsythe McCreary

Liberal

Mr. McCREARY.

I want to put myself on record, I am showing that the statements I made about the Galicians around Edmonton and the opinion of them held by many of the people of the Edmonton district were absolutely correct.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILSON.

I purposely avoided going into that question because it was late both in the session and in the night.

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William Forsythe McCreary

Liberal

Mr. McCREARY.

Surely, 1 am to be allowed an opportunity of replying to the hon. member for Alberta, and I have a perfect right to put on file the opinion of the Conservative organ of Edmonton, The Edmonton Post, in its issue of April 30, commenting upon the discussion that took place in this House. I shall read a portion of the article and then file it. Here is what it says :

Mr. McCreary, member for Selkirk, in the House of Commons the other day, made a vigorous defence of the Galicians as settlers in the North-west, and the facts of the case justified his utterances. We know nothing up here about the Doukhobors, save by hearsay, and it is very unsafe to go on that, but we do know the Galicians, and it must be admitted by all unprejudiced persons that they have proved themselves industrious settlers, hard-working, persistent and patient. We had occasion before to refer to this subject and to express admiration for the men who, without means save in their own strong arms, go upon the land with a spade and bring wild land under tillage. That is what these settlers have done. When they first made their appearance here their dress, their manners and their condition aroused protests against them, but the resolute way in which they went

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

to work on the land that fell to their portion disarmed the critics, and there is no fair-minded man to-day who, being advised of the earnest efforts of these people to better their condition, will not say that they are entitled to admiration, They occupy but a small area of the great west, but an acre compared with the almost illimitable country round about them still awaiting settlement, and as soon as this vast territory is populated, as it will be, they will be but a small handful of population compared with what the country can accommodate.

Now, I do not need to read the entire article to show that the statement I made about the Galicians around Edmonton was correct, and that the statement made by the hon. member for Alberta did not represent the sentiments of the people of that town. This paper is published by two gentlemen who formerly lived at Fort Saskatchewan, twenty-five or thirty miles from Edmonton, and within ten miles of the district occupied by the Galicians. They lived there until they started this paper, and had an opportunity of acquainting themselves with the condition of these settlers. There are one or two letters that I have received, dealing with the same subject. I have a letter from Messrs. La Rue & Picard, of Edmonton, a firm amongst the most extensive dealers in that town, who do business with the Galicians. They say : [DOT]

Regarding information as to the new colony of Galicians and Russian peoples, we are glad to state that they are reliable in all points of view, intelligent, hardworking and honest. Having had occasion many times to deal with them, we have always found that they were improving all the time, so we can recojpmend them as one of the best immigration peoples of our country.

Yours truly,

(S3.) LaRUE & PICARD.

Next to the Hudson's Bay Company and to McDougall & Secord, they are the largest merchants in Edmonton. I think this evidence is sufficient to convince the committee that the statements that I made about these people were absolutely correct. 1 would just say a word in regard to the Doukhobors. There was something said to the effect that these people were not desirable immigrants, and in that connection I would like to read a resolution that was passed by the Board of Trade of Yorkton, at the time these people were about to be removed from Yorkton. This resolution is dated April 3rd, 1900, and it reads as follows :

Whereas, it has come to our knowledge that a representative of the Northern Pacific Railway is at present in this district for the purpose of encouraging the Doukhobors to move to California, it is moved by William Simpson, seconded by J. J. Smith, that we strongly protest against such proceedings on the part of any railroad company which has in the past and may in the future receive government aid, and (bat a copy of this resolution be sent to the Northern Pacific Railway, Winnipeg, the

Commissioner of Immigration, and the Winnipeg daily papers.

(Sgd.) W. D. DUNLOP,

President.

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J. A. GREGORY,


Secretary. So, lion, gentlemen will see that those who knew these people best wanted them to remain where they were. I have other evidence as to the suitability of these people as immigrants, with which I shall not trouble the committee at this time. Before 1 sit down, however, I would say that I think it is to be regretted that the expenditure for immigration should be criticised in the manner that it has been, because I think there is nothing more important which the government can Undertake than this work. Hon. gentlemen talk about immigration as it is carried on by this government, but I noticed the other day a very peculiar circumstance that occurred in connection with the Manitoba government. The gentleman who ran against me in the recent election, Mr. Haslam, was not a thorough-going Conservative according to Mr. Roblin's idea, and a little row has taken place between him and Mr. Roblin. Mr. Roblin said that he was a disgruntled politician, that because he wais not appointed an immigration agent lie turned against his party. When Mr. Haslam wanted to be appointed an immigration agent in Dakota, Mr. Roblin told him, according to an affidavit which Mr. Haslam has made, that he was going to keep the $20,000 voted for immigration purposes for needy supporters of his own. I do not think this government can be accused of anything like that. I think that the results of the immigration policy pursued by this government have borne good fruit, and that the people of the west are thoroughly well satisfied. Immigration-Contingencies-British and foreign agencies, including salaries of clerks at head office, $330,000.


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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Some days ago the minister answered that the Doukhobors did not receive any loan for immigration, but that there was something like $20,000 paid out for expenses of one kind or another that it was expected would be repaid. Has that been repaid ?

The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

I am informed that the money has not yet been paid back.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROHLE.

How much of this vote is for salaries ?

The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.$5,000 for salaries at the head office.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROHLE.

Does it include commission paid to agents ?

The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

No.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

What was paid as commission to agents last year ?

153}

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The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR.

$0,410 was paid in the last fiscal year for commissions to agents in the United States.

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May 9, 1901