July 20, 1903


Mr. FOWLER-by Mr. Lancaster-asked : Has Captain Bishop been dismissed from his post as harbour master of Albert, in Albert county, N.B. ? If so, when, and on wffiose recommendation, and for what cause ? When w-as Captain Bishop appointed to said office ?


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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES (Hon. Raymond Prefontaine) :

1. Yes.

2. On the 9th June, 1903. on the recommendation of the minister, and in the public interest.

3. On the 22nd June, 1897.

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Subtopic:   DISMISSAL OF CAPTAIN BISHOP, ALBERT N.B.
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FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.


Bill (No. 224) to amend the Fisheries Act, was read the second time, and House went into committee thereon. On section 1, The section substituted for section 6 of the Fisheries Act, chapter 95 of the revised statutes, by section 1 of chapter 51 of the statutes of 1894. is repealed, and -the following is substituted therefor :- 6. Every one w-ho hunts or kills fish or marine animals of any kind, other than seals, porpoises, whales and walruses, by means of rockets, explosive materials, or explosive projectiles or shells, shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding three hundred dollars and costs, and, in default of payment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months.


CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

What change is effected in the law by this section ?

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES (Hon. Raymond Prefontaine).

At the present time there is no pnwer in the Minister of Marine and Fisheries to allow any of the animals here designated to lie killed with explosives. Under this amendment. permission may be given to hunt and kill seals, porpoises, whales and walruses with explosives, explosive projectiles and so on.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

What is the rea. son of making that change ?

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

Requests have been received that licenses be issued in certain parts of our waters to establish whaling stations; to be conducted on modern lines, that is to say, as they are conducted in other countries, with the use of explosives. The department thought the Canadian fishermen should be placed in the same position as the fishermen of other countries. So on the recommendation of the commissioner of fisheries it has been decided to ask for the necessary power to amend the law to that effect.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

Is it the usual custom of fishermen in other countries to use explosives ?

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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Tlie MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

In other countries it is, but in this country, so far, it has not been allowed.

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LIB

William Ross

Liberal

Hon. Mr. ROSS (Victoria, N.S.).

This industry is largely engaged in Newfoundland. They use this method of throwing the harpoons and killing the whales.

On section 3,

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

This is the result of the Investigation which has been held in British Columbia, and it has been recommended that we should allow purse seines to be used under special license in the waters of the Pacific coast. The question of traps has been left in abeyance in the meantime, so no mention is made in the Bill of traps. All we require at the present time is an amendment which will enable the department to allow special licenses to issue in British Columbia waters for the use of purse seines, in accordance with the almost unanimous opinion of those engaged in that industry.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Charles Edwin Kaulbach

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KATJEBACH.

If persons are to be prohibited from this method of fishing in the Atlantic waters, why are they to be allowed in the Pacific waters ?

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

It is thought proper to allow it in British Columbia waters because the Americans are using the same mode of fishing. It has been established

by those who have studied the question that it is the best mode of catching fish in these waters, and it is the most profitable way of carrying on that industry alongside of our American cousins, who are practising it.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Charles Edwin Kaulbach

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KAULBACH.

When the same methods were employed in the Atlantic, they were found an injury to the fish, and when our government approached the United States government asking them to abolish that method they consented to do so. I think the same thing should be asked for in the Pacific waters, and I think it would be granted by the American government ; otherwise, in the course of a little while the fish will become extinct.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

For the information of the hon. member I may state that though this question is new to me, it is not new to the department, where it has been studied for the last three years. Voluminous correspondence has been had with the American authorities in the matter, and they have refused point blank to concede anything in the line of abolishing purse seines. They have gone further and they have established traps. At the same time they are taking so many salmon witli these traps that it has become a very serious question in British Columbia whether within a year or two we should not also allow traps as tlie Americans are using them. But some of the parties interested in tlie fishing industry were not ready to go so far as to use traps, and they unanimously recommended that purse seines should be allowed to be used. At present the industry is threatened with great injury, and is liable to be seriously diminished if the Department of Fisheries is not allowed to license purse seines.

Hon. Mr. ROSS (Victoria, N.S.) At present American seiners are frequenting the coast of Nova Scotia in the spring of the year with their purse seines, and take every opportunity of catching mackerel outside tlie three-mile limit, and inside the three-mile limit, unless our own steamers are there to prevent them. Now, it would be considered something of a hardship if our own fishermen within the three-mile limit were not able to use the same method of catching mackerel as the Americans enjoy outside the three-mile limit. If we could only get the American government to abolisli purse seines altogether, then it would be a mutual advantage to prevent entirely that method of catching mackerel. But at present the American fishermen will enjoy a privilege on our own coast that, by this Bill, will be denied to our own fishermen. I know of several merchants in Halifax who are in the possession of very expensive purse seines at present.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Charles Edwin Kaulbach

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KAULBACH.

I was not aware that any privilege was allowed Americans on the shores of Nova Scotia inside the three mile limit.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB
CON

Charles Edwin Kaulbach

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KAULBACH.

I quite understand what the hon. member said, but i was not aware that they were permitted outside the three-mile limit, though it may be that they may have the seines on board clandestinely, and may catcli mackerel in that way. But if sucli is the case, I tuink it would be advisable for the government to communicate with the American government and ask them to abolish trap seines entirely, and to see that tneir fleet are not permitted to employ that metliou of fishing. I will go further and say that if the Americans persist in using purse seines in the waters of the Atlantic, then we should match them with a similar method. We did catch large quantities at one time with purse seines, hut we found that they destroyed the fish and we gave it up entirely. As I said before, the Americans consented to do the same.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES ACT AMENDMENT.
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The MINISTER OF MARINE AND FISHERIES.

They have not done so, I am informed.

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July 20, 1903