Mr. FOWLER.

I can understand why the Minister of Justice should stand up for Quebec as I do for St. John. I was speaking in all kindness to the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, but he seemed to get enraged, and if he chooses to do so he has a perfect right. I say that the whole system is rotten. I say that these examinations should

be held by a board and not by a single person ; I say that the examiners should be stationed at the great ports in Canada. I say the present system is ridiculous aud whether it has existed from confederation or not, if it is a bad system it should be abolished.

Mr. TAYLOR-. Will the minister bring down a detailed statement, so that we may have it on ' Hansard,' of how much of this $2,000 is for travelling expenses, how much for salary, and how much for other things. If he promises to do that we will let the item pass.

I have no objection whatever to give full details of the proposed expenditure.

Mr. SPROULE.

I want to say one or two words regarding this vote-that unseemly noise and slamming of desks will not facilitate the passage of these items, aud that may as well be understood early ns late. We are here to do our duty according to our judgment, and we do not wish to delay, but such votes as this must be accompanied by detailed information. The minister is comparatively new in his department, and he may not know the details, but the opposition will not discharge its duty in passing these votes unless we have the information at some time.

Marine biological station, $3,000.

In 1898 a vote was taken for this purpose, and as the terms of the Order in Council expired in May of this year, the amount for maintenance was not placed in the main estimates. It wTas found that the $2,000 for maintenance was not sufficient, and university professors and others called on me and asked that it should be increased.

Further amount required for cattle inspection, $300.

Mr. TAYLOR.

Where is this required V

A large number of cattle have recently been shipped from St. John, N.B., and as the inspector there had only a salary of $500, and the officers at other ports had from $1,000 to $1,200, we thought that $500 was not sufficient for him.

Mr. FOWLER.

Who is the officer at St. John ?

The MINISTER OF MARINE AND

FISHERIES. Mr. Buckley.

Further amount required for awards for saving of life ; for life-saving stations, and for wages of crews and drill, clothing, $2,000.

The MINISTER OF MARINE ANDFISHERIES. The department has twenty-nine life-saving stations ; fourteen in Ontario ; thirteen in Nova Scotia ; one at

Mr. FOWLER.

Grand Manan and one at Cape Torrnen-tine. The men are required to sign articles to attend to drill or active service whenever called upon by the coxswain. They are supposed to put in fourteen drills during the season. It is important to secure the services of good boatmen. It is proposed to increase the drill allowance of the men from $1.50 to $2. They are doing very good work, and it has been represented that $1.50 is not sufficient.

Mr. FOWLER.

Does the coxswain drill the crew ?

Yes.

Mr. FOWLER.

Will it take all the $2,000 to give that increase ?

Yes.

Mr. SPROULE.

Is there anything for this life-saving station on the Gulf of St. Lawrence, with reference to which the Prime Minister told us to-day the government would make a harbour of refuge, and where a life-saving station was needed ?

Not yet.

Mr. BLAIN.

Would the minister give us the names of the life saving stations in Ontario ?

On the great Lakes, Cobourg, Collingwood, Goderich, Pelee Island, Poplar-Point, Port Hope, Port Colborne, Port Rowan, Port Stanley, Toronto, Wellington, Consecon, Long Point (Lake Erie) Kincardine.

Mr. BLAIN.

I wish to draw the minister's attention to a very important place on Lake Ontario, in the county which I have the honour to represent-Port Credit. There is a volunteer crew there at the present time, which has been organized for several years. It has rescued several vessels that have been driven out on their way to the city of Toronto. I think it is a place which should be made a permanent station.

I will call the attention of my officers to it, and have a report made upon it.

Mr. BLAIN.

Will the minister do that soon ? -

As soon ns possible.