March 24, 1904

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Robert Franklin Sutherland

Liberal

Mr. J. SUTHERLAND.

Was this work done by

ihent"Ls!lpervl3l<)n of Mr!

,L engineer

It was done Shewau, the

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Robert Franklin Sutherland

Liberal

Mr. J. SUTHERLAND.

Mr. Shewan is the resident engineer ftp- the whole province, and of course there had to be a foreman in charge of that particular work. My hon. friend knows that quite considerable work has been done there, and he is only quoting from the Auditor General's Report up to 30th June last, which is nearly a year old.

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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

I do not thiidc that my hon. friend (Mr. Taylor) is quite fair in criticising the minister for having expended $409 for supervising a work that cost $1,100. That was a public work in my own county on which the expenditure was something like $3,000-1 would not be sure as to the exact figures but the proportions are all right-and out of that $3,000, about $2,000 was paid to the clerk of works, and the balance went into the work.

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

Why that is worse.

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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

If the minister has succeeded in this particular case in getting $1,100 expended for $400 to supervise it, lie is to be congratulated on the improvement.

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Mr. FOWLER .@

I refer to the Sussex armoury and as I say, the' salary of the clerk of works amounted to about two thirds of the total expense, but in that case they forgot to discharge the clerk of works ; and lie was getting $3.50 or $4 a day for mouths and months after the work had been completed. Not only that, but (here might be some criticism as to the fitness of the clerk of works for such a job. There was carpenter work, and masonry work, and plumbing to be done, and the House will understand that the clerk of works was well qualified to superintend this, when I state that by occupation he had all his life followed the business of a merchant tailor. However, die had one qualification in a very high degree ; he was perfectly capable of drawing his salary. He supervised the work so well, that one night (lie windows of the basement were left open, and the pipes froze and burst and it cost the department $700 or $800-1 do not say that these are the exact figures I mt they are approximately correct, to repair the damages caused by this gentleman's neglect. 1 would not ask the minister whether it is liis intention to clniige the clerk of the works with the damages caused by liis neglect.

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Robert Franklin Sutherland

Liberal

Mr. J. SUTHERLAND.

I believe they were paid for by the department.

Mi- FOWLER. The department paid a man i supervise the work for twelve months fter it was completed, so that he drew over 2.000 on a work the total cost or which ,-as less than $9,000, and considering tlie

particular part of the work that he had to inspect, his pay was in the proportion of two to one ; two parts going to the Clerk of works and one to the contractor. Therefore, the hon. member for Leeds (Mr. Taylor), instead of criticising the minister for spending $400 on the supervision of an $1,100 job in this case, should have commended him for the economy which he is practising.

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John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

I would ask the minister, in regard to the Sand Point building, whether the insecurity of that building in case of fire has been brought to his notice, and whether it is his intention to remedy the defect ? 'ibhis is a very urgent matter indeed, and the minister * should give it his attention at the earliest possible date.

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Robert Franklin Sutherland

Liberal

Mr. J. SUTHERLAND.

I shall make a note of the statement of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Daniel) and have it inquired into. It has not been brought to my attention before.

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

The hon. member for King's (Mr. Fowler) has rather censured me for referring to what the minister has done in connection with the St. John quarantine service, but I want to tell him that the only item in the expenditure they would require a clerk of works for was the building of the steward's house which cost $364, and for superintending that job they paid the clerk of works $409.50.

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

Well, there were bedsteads bought, and there was tlie travel to Ottawa of John Cowan, which cost $64.85, and it did not require any clerk of works to supervise his trip. The only thing the clerk of works had to do was to supervise the building of the steward's house, which cost $364, and for that he was paid $409. That Is worse than the Sussex armoury job.

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Robert Franklin Sutherland

Liberal

Mr. J. SUTHERLAND.

They laid half a. mile of Inch pipe there, and that had to be superintended. Seriously speaking, I believe that this is one of the weak spots in the conduct of work away from the centre. Delays take place that are perhaps sometimes unavoidable in the erection of these public works, and the foreman cannot very often be discharged after he has undertaken the work. It is impossible to get a man at all competent to oversee a work like that for less than $3 a day. In fact, I find that we have sometimes to pay more for men of practical knowledge. I know it is one of the weak points about having works carried on at a considerable distance from head quarters; but since I lmve been in the department I have endeavoured to see that only qualified men are employed.

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

The hon. member for King's (Mr. Fowler) says the clerk of works at Sussex was a tailor. Perhaps the hon.

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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

minister can inform us what was the occupation of Mr. Beatty, wuo was superintending the construction of this building at St John.

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March 24, 1904