August 1, 1904

LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

This officer will be as much under the orders of the postmaster as any other officer in the post ~

office. The postmaster is left to organize his staff, getting the most use he can out of them. There is no exception made in the case of the superintendent. So far as I have anything to do with the superintendent, I shall deem it my duty to promote to this office the man best qualified to din-charge what would ordinarily be understood to be the duties of such an officer. He will be an intermediate officer, between a first-class clerk and the assistant postmaster.

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William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. MACLEAN.

This officer will probably meet the case I have in view. I have seen the Toronto post office practically administered by a very young but very competent man, doing first-class work, and getting about $600 a year. I believe that has happened in several of the post offices of this country. If this clause will permit a man of that kind to receive a reward in keeping with the services he discharges, I think it will be a good move. .

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Section agreed to. On section 6,


LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

Under the Act of 1902, it is made optional with letter

carriers to come in under the new scheme therein provided, or to remain under the old law. The time in which to exercise that option expired within two months after the passage of that Bill. Some of the letter-carriers desired after it was too late to exercise that option, and last year parliament passed an Act extending the time. That time has expired, and now a considerable number of letter-carriers have signified their desire to avail themselves of the provisions of the law and come in under the Act of 1902. This is giving .them three months further time.

Mr. CDARIvE. What will he the position of these 'men who were in the service prior to 1897 if they come in under this Act ? Under this Act the sum that stands to their credit in the superannuation account will be passed over to another account, and they will get that sum with interest at five per cent on leaving the service ; but when they leave or are discharged there is no superannuation beyond the amount at their credit. What advantage is it to these men to come under this Act ? Their position at present is such that when they retire they receive superannuation, which continues as long as they live, but under my hon. friend's Act they will not. Is that right ?

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

That is wrong. The Act is in the following words :

Such election shall not affect his rights or position under the Civil Service Superannuation Act or Retirement Act of 1898.

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CON

Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

Will they still continue paying into the superannuation fund the same percentage of their wages that they do now, and will they receive the same superannuation after they have been retired ?

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

The language of the statute is quite plain : ' Such election shall not affect their rights or position uuder the Civil Service Superannuation Act or retirement Act of 1898.'

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CON

Edward Frederick Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE.

I do not quite understand. Under the civil service law which existed when they entered the post office as letter-carriers, they contributed so much per month to the superannuation fund, and after their services were dispensed with they got so much per annum' during the balance of their lives. Will the fact that they take advantage of the present Act deprive them of their superannuation when they leave the service ?

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

It is not for me to say what the law means. I have read the iion. gentleman the statute, and I will pass the Act over to him. It is to be found in the statutes of 1902.

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IND

Arthur W. Puttee

Independent Labour

Mr. PUTTEE.

Has any kind of pressure been exercised on the men to get them to come in under this Act ?

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

Not the slightest. The department is not interested one way or the other. Some carriers have petitioned for this privilege and the department has simply acceded to their request. If some letter-carriers had not had themselves prejudiced, they would long since have availed themselves of the advantages of this Act. Under the old law the salary of a letter-carrier was $600, but under the present Act he can attain $725 a year, and in addition have some other advantages.

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IND

Arthur W. Puttee

Independent Labour

Mr. PUTTEE.

Under the old law a letter-carrier was entitled, in case of sickness, to his pay, and under the new Act he is not.

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

He is not entitled to it under the old law.

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LIB
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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

He may or may not. ,

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IND

Arthur W. Puttee

Independent Labour

Mr. PUTTEE.

They are fearful that their sick-pay is going to be stopped, and I do not know whether that would be looked upon as pressure to induce them to come under the new Act. Is the rumour right that sick-pay will be stopped ?

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LIB

August 1, 1904