April 25, 1905

LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

In the clause as it now stands there is no reference to the school lands. There is a reference to the distribution of public moneys, but my hon. friend did not ask about that, he asked about school lands.

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CON

George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

School lands fund, I said, and they are part of the public money.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir. SPROULE.

Where do the school funds come from but from the school lands ?

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Sir. FIELDING.

Sly hou. friend's question was about school lands.

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CON

George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir. TAYLOR.

The funds from the school lands ; they cannot apportion the lands.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Sir. FIELDING.

There is no change in tlie law about that.

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CON

George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir. TAYLOR.

But my hon. friend (Mr. Fielding) in his speech did not say a word about it.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

I ioId you that there was no change in the law about it. It is

just what it has been for years, neither more nor less.

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CON

George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

I oppose the Bill because in my opinion it is unconstitutional, it is a matter That should be left wholly and entirely to the new provinces to deal with. 1 have not said nor will I say one word against separate schools. I live in a town with a population of about 4,000, of whom about one-third are French and Irish Roman Catholics. We have no separate school there. We had a separate school there 25 or 30 years ago when it was a small village containing about 1,000 inhabitants. We then had a public school and a Roman Catholic separate school, but the Roman Catholics themselves closed up their school, and ever since their children have been going to the public school. I have heard the archbishop of Kingston when laying a . comer stone, saying: We must have a

separate school. But we cannot have one in Gananoque because his own people are better satisfied with the public school and they cannot establish a separate school because the Roman Catholics themselves will not have one in our town, and this is the history of Ontario generally, there are very few separate schools, because our public schools in Ontario are national, and not a word is said in them which is offensive to the religious opinions of any child attending them. It is not so with the public school in Quebec. No Protestant can send his child to the public school in Quebec on account of the religious teaching given there, but it is not so in Ontario and the Catholics know it, and they support and approve almost unanimously the public schools of Ontario and send their children to them. I cannot approve of nor agree with the statement of the Minister of Finance and the exMinister of the Interior (Mr. Sifton). I have made a proposition to let the lawyers on both sides of the House get together and frame an amendment embodying their speeches and I am satisfied if that is done, the Orangemen of Ontario will be satisfied with it because as I have said it is a pure^ ly national school. Because these gentlemen know that it means a great deal more than this is the reason why they are trying to force the measure through the House. But I propose opposing it because in my opinion it is unconstitutional and being unconstitutional I feel it to be my duty to vote against the Bill and in favour of the amendment of the leader of the opposition (Mr. R. I.. Borden) who as I stated before, is in my opinion the best legal authority we have in this country. In his speech he gives it as his opinion that the measure is unconstitutional and that the matter should be left to the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan to deal with exclusively.

Mr. KEMP moved the adjournment of the debate.

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Motion agreed to.


LIB

ADJOURNMENT.-BUDGET SPEECH.

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Hon. W. S.@

FIELDING (Minister of Finance) moved the adjournment of the House.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN (Carleton, Out).

Before the House adjourns I would like to ask the Minister of Finance whether he has come to any conclusion as to when the Budget speech will be delivered ?

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

It is not contemplated that any announcement will be made until the conclusion of the debate on this Bill, but it is expected that it will follow at a very early stage after this matter is disposed of.

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IND

William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. W. F. MACLEAN.

After the second reading, or after the disposal of the whole Bill ? '

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

Very much depends on what is considered necessary in regard to the Bill. If the committee stage is to be taken up at once, then the Budget will wait.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

That is what I wished to ask about, whether the Budget will be delivered before the Bill has passed the committee stage. The hon. gentleman, I understand, has not come to a decision on that and is not prepared to make an announcement on tuat question.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

No. Perhaps it would bt finished in a day or two.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

The minister is not prepared to give us the information in regard to that, but perhaps the hon. minister would give us the information if the government come to a conclusion in regard to it.

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April 25, 1905