June 15, 1905

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

It is an answer. Now. 1 have no fault to find with any other department of the government, except this one, acting in a partisan manner. They have a perfect right to do so. A Liberal has a perfect right to defend the government, he lias a perfect right to support the government candidate. Liberals have a perfect right to take any measures they choose so long as they comply with the law of the land. But when this government runs a department which they tell the people is run on non-partisan lines, and if I can show that it is not run on non-partisan lines. I say the sooner they abandon that contention the better. Mr. Marks was employed by this department to do certain work. Now if the department was running this paper on nonpartisan lines would they tell this man to prepare an affidavit in the heat of a political contest, digging up something imaginary that occurred five years ago, in order to defeat the Conservative candidate ? Is that the part of a man who is selected because of his independence ?

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

It is not true. Let me tell the right bon. premier that this question involves serious consequences to the Dominion of Canada. It involves the welfare of a prominent railway in the Dominion of Canada. This American railway company has purchased a certain railway in Canada, and they are operating it. They have sent into Canada certain employee's for the purpose of managing the affairs of that railway, and the Labour Department, for the purpose of influencing the votes of labour men in the city of London, appointed a certain gentleman as commissioner to take evidence and report to the government. He did so, and the government, in pursuance of his report, issued an order, and some of these alien labourers were given twenty-four days to leave the country, others were given seven days to leave the country, and others were ordered to leave forthwith. As a matter of fact the railway company is resisting in the courts the order of the government. and the question may become an international one between Canada and the United States. So I say to my right hon. friend that this is too serious a question to be kicked around as a football in a byelection. It is not a new thing for Americans to come into this country and work on railways. Every man knows perfectly well that the Grand Trunk Pacific has brought in large numbers of aliens for the purpose of working on that line. The civil engineers of Canada have Complained month in and month out to the government about

large numbers of these aliens coming in. This non-partisan department, that is supposed to look after the interests of labouring men of this country, appointed Judge Winchester to inquire into these charges against the Grand Trunk Pacific. He made a report, which has been printed. Has there been any order issued for the arrest of these men ? Have any of them been given twenty-four days to leave the country, others seven days, and have some of them been ordered to leave forthwith ? No. Why has that not been done by this non-partisan department ? Why is this one particular railway selected instead of the Grand Trunk Pacific ? Why is discrimination exercised against the smaller company and the larger one allowed to go free '! Is it because there was no election going on in the country that could be influenced ? Was it not for the purpose of influencing workingmen's votes In the city of London that this smaller railway company is discriminated against ? I want to tell my right bon. friend that in the administration of this department ail that has occurred recently has been sufficient to cause this government a good deal of trouble. Now one word more to the minister. I recognize that my hon. friend is now performing the duties of the Minister of Labour, and that he does not know the details of the department we are discussing. He must of necessity rely on the information given him by his deputy for the moment. Then, I want to know from the minister or his deputy, either of them for that matter, how it is that the minister is so familiar with the free working of the Libera] and Conservative party in London during the last general election and this recent by-election ? How does it come that my hon. friend is so familiar with the workers in the contests in November and in the contest which has just closed ? Was he prompted by the deputy ?

Mr, EM ME ItS ON. I had a note placed in my hands coming into the House so that my hon. friend need not waste any breath on the deputy in connection with that.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

If the hon. gentleman was not furnished with this information by the deputy I am very glad to hear it.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

It certainly did not come from the hon. gentleman himself, because he possibly could not know it, and if lie were furnished with that informatics by the deputy, it would be an evidence of the partisanship of the department. The partisanship of the department is already proved by the bon member for Cape Breton, because he says that there are partisan officials in connection with the department, and that is all I am complaining of. We do not care if other departments are conducted upon partisan lines so much, but we do Mr. INGRAM.

want this to be a department conducted ou non-partisan lines.'

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Alexander Johnston

Liberal

Mr. A. JOHNSTON.

I was simply curious to .know what charge the hon. member had to make in that connection.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

I had nothing to say against Mr. Gillespie, but I made the statement that I did not think the minister could expect that the country, and the House would form the impression that this is a non-partisan department when this Belleville correspondent is one of the editors of the Reform newspaper in that city.

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Alexander Johnston

Liberal

Mr. A. JOHNSTON.

Unlike my hon. friend from Elgin, I am sure that, having made that statement, my hon. friend from Peel will be prepared to submit for tlie information of the committee some evidence to justify the assertion that be is a partisan. 1

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

In answer to that I am free to say that I cannot pick out of this ' Gazette ' anything from the correspondent at Belleville that would lead me to believe that he is a partisan, but I will make this statement that if the bon. member will lay on the table of the House the correspondence as it comes from these men and allow tlie committee to make a complete examination of it, I think I will be able to produce evidence of partisanship.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

However, that matter is unimportant. I make the statement that in my opinion in the city of Belleville men could be found who do not take an active part in politics as Mr. Gillespie does to act as correspondents of this 'Gazette.' My hon. friend will not differ from that statement.

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

I suppose it would be all right to take a mild-mannered mail and one who happened to be a friend of my hon. friend.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

When I make application for a friend of mine to get such a position as that I will inform my hon. friend in writing so that lie will know it and be able to deal with it In a proper way. But, that is not the point. We make the statement that the Department of Labour Is surround-

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ed by political partisanship. The correspondent in the city of Belleville is an active politician, the sub-editor of one of the Reform papers in that city, a gentleman who attends political meetings and who writes political reports, and we say therefore that another man who does not take this active part in politics would be better if my bon. friend comes to the decision that this should be a non-partisan department. Then we have another gentleman in the city of Chatham by the name of Snell. I would like my hon. friend to take his name down and make an examination of this case as well. Mr. Snell is a very active partisan in the city of Chatham in West Kent.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

That is all right. My hon. friend (Mr. Campbell) has foi'gotten since he left West Kent. He has come down into what was formerly West York, but which was fixed up in the redistribution, and called Centre York. I have a better informant than my hon. friend, a gentleman who has been more recently in the campaigns in West Kent, and I am sure my hon. friend would think that he would be a better informant. I make the statement and X have no fear of contradiction that Mr. Snell is an active partisan, and takes an active part in every political contest up there. Yet, he is the correspondent of this ' Labour Gazette.' If my hon. friend will wait a moment I think I have some evidence that is a little more recent and perhaps a little more startling. In Calgary we have Mr. J. Gillespie, correspondent at $100 a year of this nonpartisan 1 Gazette.' Who is Mr. Gillespie ? Mr. Gillespie is a gentleman who takes a very active part in every election. After the election is over what does Mr. Gillespie do? He signs the protests against members sitting on this side of the House for Calgary and he does this in the Liberal interest.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

My hon. friend from Cape Breton should not ask information from me that he has at hand. Ask the minister. I will just stop to find out whether that gentleman is the correspondent of the ' Labour Gazette,' because I am rather interested m that myself. I will ask the minister. Perhaps my hon. friend from Cape Breton is well informed ?

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June 15, 1905