June 11, 1908

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

I wish the Minister would bring down the names of employees on the Balsam Lake division and a statement as to their duties. Under the agreement With the f Ontario gpvernment the dams and roadways are to be kept in repair by this government and I want to know what has been done in connection with that. I represent that portion of the country and it is my opinion that nothing has been done. There are a few of these gentlemen roaming around there and we have to take them in hand occasionally to keep them from doing harm. They stop the water at a period of the year which causes injury to the millmen below and at other periods they let the wTater run when there is no necessity for it. I think we taught them 3274

a lesson by taking the law into our own hands.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

Has the minister any officers employed in connection with the Newmarket canal ?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

There is no officer appointed for that. I think the commerce does not warrant it yet.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

The predecessors of the minister wTere not from the province of Ontario and they probably did not know about the Newrmarket canal. But if the present minister has gazed out of the car window as he passes near Newmarket he no doubt has seen a little stream trickling along at the rate of about forty cubic feet an hour and which is supposed to furnish the water supply for that canal. Has the minister taken any precautions to see that the water supply for the Newmarket canal will be sufficient or will be sufficient or will he have some of his engineers report on it ?

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

If the minister will be good enough to look the matter up, he will find that there is no report on the volume of wrater. The water supply is utterly inadequate even in wet seasons. There is not enough to fill a lock in two days.

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Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

I want to call the minister's attention to a matter in connection with the extension to Newmarket, that is, to a petition which was sent to the government from the residents of Bradford and vicinity to have a short piece of canal constructed from a place which has the misfortune to be called the Devil's Elbow on the Holland river to the neighbourhood of the railway station at Bradford. This is not an extensive work ; it would involve the expenditure of very little monej, and would be a great convenience to the people of Bradford, especially to the commercial interests there. The canal would be through a kind of peat bog for a distance of half a mile or not more than a mile, and would be very easy of construction. Probably the easiest way would be to carry the canal around from the railway station to the south until it strikes the river again, so that the vessels could come in one way and go out the other. The petition for this work was presented to the government some time ago, and I do not think it has been acted upon. We feel that there ought to be at all events an investigation as to the cost of the work, and as to whether it would be a proper work to expend money upon. The necessary outlay would be

a mere fraction of the outlay for extending the canal to Newmarket. Commercially and agriculturally, though not perhaps politically, Bradford is quite as important a centre as Newmarket ; and I might tell the minister that although Newmarket has been doing great things for the government in the past, it is not responding at the present time, and it might be well to see what 'Bradford would do. This question has been brought up several times, but we have now a new minister and we arte looking hopefully to what he will do. Will he undertake to bring down something in the supplementary estimates for this work? It is perfectly feasible and reasonable in every respect. The ground is absolutely level from one point to the other. I hope the minister will have an inquiry made, and bring down a supplementary vote to have the work done at once.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I would hardly like to say that I would bring in a supplementary estimate for the work. I am perfectly free to say that the explanation of my hon. friend carries some weight. Would it increase the volume of water ?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I will have the chief engineer make inquiry to see just what the position is from an engineering standpoint and what the probable cost will be.

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Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

Perhaps the minister will endeavour to let me know when we come to discuss the capital expenditure.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

I wish to draw the minister's attention to the fact that the lockmaster at Fenelon falls has given notice to the farmers in the neighbourhood of Cameron lake that his instructions are -he does not say from whom, but I presume the chief engineer-to keep the waters of the lake a foot higher than the regulation level on the mitre sill of the dam. That was done nearly all of last year when the waters* were low. I could give the name of one man who has nearly half an acre of an island washed away. At some points where the shores are level a rise of a foot will cover an acre of ground. The government should either keep the water down to the proper level or buy from the farmers the land which is flooded above that level.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

Instructions are, I think, to keep the water six feet on the sills.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I think probably it will be necessary to make arrangements for Mr. LENNOX.

a level of eight feet. I understand that provision is made generally for an 8-foot level.

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Henry Alfred Ward

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WARD.

The Minister of Railways spoke of his intention to ask for an appropriation to pay damages. In what direction will that be expended? Will it be applied to the payment of claims such as the hon. member for Victoria and Haliburton has spoken of, where the keeping up the levels has injured and actually destroyed a good deal of farm land. In the township of Otonabee, Mr. James Clark had a claim against the government, under the administration of my hon. friend's predecessor, and I understand his claim has been settled. A number of others have similar claims. Their farms have been cut off by reason of the water and a great deal of their land rendered quite useless. Will the appropriation be applied in payment of claims of that mature? Is it the case that Mr. Clark has been settled with ?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

My recollection is that Mr. Clark was settled with. I suppose I was a little irregular possibly in mentioning the claims as they will come up in a future estimate. I prefer not to discuss them now. There will be an estimate for such claims, and I shall have full information later.

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June 11, 1908