June 11, 1908

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Henry Alfred Ward

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WARD.

I know of a similar claim to Mr. Clark's which has had no consideration so far. I would like to communicate with the party, if the appropriation pro-' posed is for that purpose.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

It is for that purpose. We want to pay all the claims that are rightly entitled to be paid.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

I would like to draw the attention of the minister to two matters. On the Balsam Lake section; when the survey was made for levels some time ago, the country was surveyed away back from the water, and the farm of M. A. Boynton was partly flooded. A portion of his farm is a fine swamp which must have been overlooked at the time of the surveys, and they may not have got the exact levels. In any event his fine swamp is practically ruined, and where his cattle used to pasture is covered with water.

Then there is another matter. The Pigeon river runs through Omemee. Formerly the people used the stream, as it was navigable, but the locks on the main line were allowed to get out of repair and bogs floated into the channel. Now, however that there is a possibility of our having the Trent canal opened early, the people are turning their attention to the advantages of the river route, and they find some repairs necessary. It would not take much dredging

to reopen the canal to Pigeon river. I do not know if the hon. minister has a dredge to spare, but we want a couple of more dredges along that route, and I would recommend him to have them as early as possible for they could do lots of work and be of splendid service to the people.

I might mention another point in the same connection. The Grand Trunk Railway line between Omeiree and Peterborough crosses the stream about a quarter of a mile below the village landing. At the time the Grand Trunk Railway was built, the river was not of much use for navigation though it had been previously. An arrangement is now being discussed between the Grand Trunk Railway Company and the Omemee people under which the station if possible will be moved down town to near this place. There is no swing bridge at that railway crossing, but under the law- the river having been navigable before the railway came-the onus of keeping the stream clear lies on the railway. I draw attention to that so that my hon. friend may have it looked into. In a short time the matter may come up and the government be called on to require the Grand Trunk1 Railway either to put in a swing bridge or raise the bridge over the river so that it may be navigated. Possibly, however, some arrangement may be arrived at between the village and the Grand Trunk Railway, in which case the government would not be called on at all.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

We have a small amount in the main estimates for the work on Pigeon river and at Omemee. We have one dredge there and expect to have another.

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Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

How much of that increase for staff and repairs $22,000 on the Welland canal is for repairs, and how much for staff?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

It is practically for repairs and the increase is due to the enhanced cost of labour and materials.

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Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

It is contemplated that the present staff will do the work.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

This is really maintenance over the whole canal. Repairs are constantly required. I was up over the canal one day for a drive and saw a number of men trying to find out a small leak. That sort of thing is happening all the time and it does not take much to make the increase. It would be pretty hard to say in detail what the repairs will be.

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Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

Why does the hon. minister think it will cost $9,400 more this year than last? I do not know of any conditions that would require this increase.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

It is not really for anything particular in addition. The superintending engineer estimates that on account of the advance of labour and all materials required his repairs this year will cost that much more than last year. This is the estimate made by the superintending engineer himself.

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Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

Is the increase entirely due to the increased cost of labour and material ?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I think that last year we had to get a small supplementary vote.

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Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

The $9,400 is an additional amount and unless some special repairs were required in some parts of the canal I cannot understand why there should be such an increase on the ordinary general repairs about which I know.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

Before March 31, 1908, we had to bring in a supplementary vote in order to make up what we were short so that we are really not asking this much more than we spent last year.

Mr. LANCASTER How much more is it ?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I have not the supplementary estimates here. .

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Rodolphe Lemieux (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX.

Referring for a moment to the Trent Valley canal, I listened with great attention to what was said by my hon. friend from Victoria and Haliburton (Mr. Sam. Hughes). I have been more fortunate than the new Minister of Railways and Canals in that last year I visited that section of the canal between Lindsay and Kirkfield. I must congratulate the chief engineer of the Department of Railways and Canals upon the excellent work that has been done there. As a piece of engineering it is certainly a marvel unequalled in this country and perhaps on this continent. I agree with my hon. friend that in order to make the canal as useful as possible to the trade of that section of the country two things are necessary. I met very important manufacturers and many tradesmen who live in that region and who paid the government the compliment of saying that when the canal is completed it will certainly benefit them a great deal. But there are, as I said, two things which must be done, as we noticed last year when I was there in company with the chief engineer and some others. After leaving Lindsay harbour and entering the canal you notice logs at the bottom impeding navigation to some extent. Last year the yachts following the steamboats were somewhat hampered in their journey on account of these logs. Very little work would be necessary to clear the channel. Then on a few sections of the canal a little dredging is necessary in order to make it a first-

class route. I promised the gentlemen who accompanied me last year that I would submit their case to the Minister of Railways and Canals.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

The Postmaster Genera] on that occasion Tvas so delighted with the route that when he found it had been traversed by a fellow countryman of his long years ago, that he promised to have a monument or statue erected to Samuel *de Champlain in the beautiful town of Fene-lon Falls. I do not see an item in the estimates for this and perhaps the Postmaster General will take the proper steps to have tile monument erected.

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Rodolphe Lemieux (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX.

I am committed, it is a question of persuading my colleagues.

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June 11, 1908