June 11, 1908

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. R. L. BORDEN.

How were you stopped ?

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Air. FISHER.

By their saying that they could not pass any more that night.

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Air. FIELDING.

Whatever else happens the farmers' service really ought not to suffer.

Air. ARA1STRONG. The Minister of Agriculture has not been doing justice to the agricultural interests by not bringing Mr. FISHER

these estimates down before this because these are estimates which require to be debated very fully. There are questions that require very serious consideration and yet he tries to force his estimates through the House in a few moments. I cannot help noticing that at the end of each of these items there are these words :

Payments made from this sum not to be subject to the Civil Service Act.

As far as the civil servants are concerned they are apparently not to get anything out of these items which the minister is asking for. They are for men in the outside service. What proportion of this amount will go towuirds salaries ?

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Air. FISHER.

I could not say how much will go towards salaries off-hand, but I would explain these words. They were put in four or five years ago at the request of the late Auditor General. As a good many of these employees are in the city of Ottawa and paid here the late Auditor General said that they ought to have these words in to make sure they would be properly paid. The thing had been going on for many years without him saying anything about it, but four or five years ago he requested that in future these words should be put in.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. R. L. BORDEN.

Will the minister state again the items that include salaries ?

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Air. FISHER.

No. 46, the dairying vote ; 47, the seed commissioners vote; 49 for the development of the live stock industry and 53 for the administration and enforcement of the Aleat and Canned Foods Act.

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George Taylor (Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. TAYLOR.

That item of $115,000 takes in practically the whole dairy industry. There will be a very lengthy discussion on the cheese curing rooms. I understood that the cheese curing room at Brockville had been shut up for a number of years and rented to Air. Ayer, of Montreal, but I see a loss in connection with that of $1,036. It is the same with all of them and we will have to go into them in detail.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Air. FISHER.

We expect to ask for a small additional sum for these items and there will be an opportunity to discuss them later on.

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George Taylor (Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. TAYLOR.

I know that our agricultural committee want full information and they are not here to-night.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. R. L. BORDEN.

These items might pass provided it is distinctly understood that any discussion or criticism which may be made on them may be made on any other item of the minister's estimates.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Air. FISHER.

I am quite satisfied with that.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Any discussion or criticism of these can be made on any other item; on that understanding they might be allowed to pass so as not to inconvenience the civil servants who want their salaries.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Would my hon. friend put No. 53 in ; it is for salaries.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

I will put that in also.

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George Taylor (Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

What items remain ?

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

No. 48 is not for salaries and I do not want that. I want items 46, 47, 49 and 53.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I am willing to go on to-morrow if the hon. gentleman will let me.

Some resolutions reported.

Mr. FIELDING moved the adjournment of the House.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

What business tomorrow ?

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

The Minister of Agriculture will continue.

Motion agreed to and the House adjourned at 11.30 p.m.

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June 11, 1908