July 17, 1908

CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

I desire to ask the Minister of Railways and Canals (Mr. Graham) if he intends to answer certain questions I put upon the Order Paper with regard to the Intercolonial Railway ? I refer to questions 1 and 2. I desire to ask the same question of the Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Brodeur) with regard to question 8.

Topic:   CLIFFORD SIFTON.
Subtopic:   QUEBEC BRIDGE AND RAILWAY COMPANY.
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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I understand that questions will be called to-night or to-morrow. I have the answers to question No. 1 here, but I am not quite sure about the other.

Topic:   CLIFFORD SIFTON.
Subtopic:   QUEBEC BRIDGE AND RAILWAY COMPANY.
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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

Could you give the answers now ?

Topic:   CLIFFORD SIFTON.
Subtopic:   QUEBEC BRIDGE AND RAILWAY COMPANY.
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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

It would not be in order to give it now. Questions will be called before prorogation.

Topic:   CLIFFORD SIFTON.
Subtopic:   QUEBEC BRIDGE AND RAILWAY COMPANY.
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IND

William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. W. F. MACLEAN.

Have the orders of the day been called ? If not. on the Mr. PARENT.

Topic:   CLIFFORD SIFTON.
Subtopic:   QUEBEC BRIDGE AND RAILWAY COMPANY.
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Hon. GEO P.@

GRAHAM (Minister of Railways and Canals) moved that the House go into committee to consider the following proposed resolutions :

Resolved. That it is expedient to authorize the government of Canada pursuant to the agreement between it and the Quebec Bridge and Railway Company, dated the 19th day of October, 1903, and set out in the schedule to chapter 54 of the statutes of 1903, to exercise the right to take over the whole of the undertaking, assets, property, and franchises of the Quebec Railway and: Bridge Company, upon the terms and conditions set forth in the said agreement and the said Act, and that the moneys required to pay therefor he appropriated for that purpose out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund.

Motion agreed to and House went into committee on the resolution.

Topic:   CLIFFORD SIFTON.
Subtopic:   QUEBEC BRIDGE AND RAILWAY COMPANY.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

What is the estimated amount of the expenditure ?

Topic:   CLIFFORD SIFTON.
Subtopic:   QUEBEC BRIDGE AND RAILWAY COMPANY.
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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

X thought that, as it is so near six o'clock, the hon. gentleman, (Mr. R. L. Borden) would prefer to have the resolution reported and the discussion of these points take place on the Bill. The estimate for the construction of the bridge, of course cannot be given, until we have the report of the board of engineers.

Topic:   CLIFFORD SIFTON.
Subtopic:   QUEBEC BRIDGE AND RAILWAY COMPANY.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

I have no objection to reserving the discussion until the committee stage of the Bill.

Resolution reported, read the second time and agreed to.

Mr. GRAHAM moved for leave to introduce Bill (No. 217) respecting the Quebec Bridge and Railway Company.

Topic:   CLIFFORD SIFTON.
Subtopic:   QUEBEC BRIDGE AND RAILWAY COMPANY.
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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.


SALE OP ORDNANCE LANDS.


Hon. Sir FREDERICK BORDEN (Minister of Militia- and Defence) moved that the House go into committee to consider the following resolutions : 1. Resolved, That it is expedient to confirm the following orders in council, that is to say: (a) An order in council dated the sixteenth day of May, 1904, authorizing the sale to the corporation of the city of Toronto of certain ordnance property in that city, consisting of the whole of the military property lying between and including the old fort and the exhibition; (b) An order in council, dated the sixth day of December, 1905, authorizing the sale to the _ city of Montreal of the ordnance property in the St. Lawrence river, opposite the eaid city, known as St. Helen's Island: and (c) An order in council, dated the twenty-seventh day of duly, 1907, authorizing the conveyance to the city of Montreal of a portion of the ordnance property in that city known as Lafontaine park, and to authorize the sale and disposal of the said ordnance property in the manner and subject to the conditions by the said orders in council, respectively, provided and subject to such further and other conditions as may be imposed by His Majesty and accepted by the corporation of the city of Toronto and by the city of Montreal, as the case may be. 2. Resolved, That the purchase moneys received from the corporations of the city of Toronto and the city of Montreal for the said ordnance properties may be used and applied and are hereby appropriated to and for the purposes, of the purchase of sites and construction of building thereon for military schools of instruction in connection with the permanent force in those cities, respectively. On section 2,


IND

William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. W. P. MACLEAN.

Is it the intention to make any stipulation for the maintenance of the old fort in Toronto when it comes into possession of the city?

Topic:   SALE OP ORDNANCE LANDS.
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LIB
CON

Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

Do I understand that the government sells to the city of Montreal, St. Helen's Island for so much?

Topic:   SALE OP ORDNANCE LANDS.
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LIB
CON

Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

And the city of Montreal, as compensation, deeds to the government part of Lafontaine park?

Topic:   SALE OP ORDNANCE LANDS.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Not exactly. In the Bill which I shall introduce, the orders in council referred to in this resolution are printed in full. But in the order in council relating to the matter to which the hon. gentleman refers, the two matters are kept separate. The fact is that St. Helen's Island was under lease to the city for certain purposes. The city wished to acquire it, and the government agreed to sell it for a certain sum of money after it had been appraised. The city had been occupying the whole of Lafontaine Park for many years, and having improved half of it, the city wished to acquire Lafontaine Park and the department agreed that the half which the city had improved should be deeded to the city, and that the city should give up any claim it had on the other half so that the department might have the use of the other half for the purposes of drill. At the same time, it is understood that when it is not occupied by the department for parades the city shall have the use of the other half.

Topic:   SALE OP ORDNANCE LANDS.
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CON

Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

I suppose that this will he left a great deal to the discretion of the hon. gentleman and the city of Montreal when the time comes. He knows that there were objections on the part of many citizens to giving up any part of Lafontaine Park.

Topic:   SALE OP ORDNANCE LANDS.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

There is no intention to construct military buildings on that half of the park, but merely to use it for the purposes of military parades.

Topic:   SALE OP ORDNANCE LANDS.
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July 17, 1908