February 26, 1909

FIRST READINGS.


Bill (No. 79) respecting the Canadian Pacific Railway Company.-Mr. W. McIntyre. Bill (No. 80) respecting the Kootenay and Arrowhead Railway Company. - Mr. Geo. Taylor. Bill (No. 81) respecting the Manitoba and North Western Railway Company of Canada.-Mr. Cash. Bill (No. 82) respecting the Monarch Fire Insurance Company.-Mr. Beattie.


QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE.

MUNICIPAL RIGHTS OF MONTREAL AND 'LA PRESSE.'

LIB

Louis Alfred Adhémar Rivet

Liberal

Mr. L. A. A. RIVET (Hochelaga).

(Translation.) Mr. Speaker, before the orders of the day are called, I wish to call the attention of the House, and at the same time enter my protest against an editorial published in ' La Presse,' yesterday, February 25, entitled, ' Les Surprises d'un projet de loi,' which states, partly at least, as follows:

The hon. member for St. James, Mtre Hono-re Gervais, has rendered a signal service to the city, in drawing the municipal authorities' attention, before it was too late, on the Bill of the ' Canadian, Liverpool and Western Railway Company ' now before parliament for sanction.

And further:

' La Presse ' has more than once contended that the parliament at Ottawa had no control whatever over the streets of a city, a matter which is altogether under provincial jurisdiction. Montreal has every interest to watch the Bills which are presented either before the provincial legislature, or the federal parliament. Is that done to-day with sufficient diligency?

The city of Montreal could organize, easily and with profit, a vigilance service which is needed to-day. Special agents-most probably these would be lawyers-should reside permanently during sessions either at Ottawa or at Quebec, so that the city could be notified of any measure being presented in which she would have interests of some sort.

But this service should be conducted with the utmost regularity, as a detective agency. We submit the idea to the wisdom of our aldermen; it rests to them now to perfect it and put in operation.

As I have said in the beginning, I think it my duty to protest in my own name and in behalf of my colleagues of the metropolis, who are particularly aimed at in that

editorial, against the false and unjust assertions against the hon. members of this House and of the Railway Committee.

In justice to the promoters of the proposed bill, to the members of the Railway Committee, and particularly to those who in that committee are more directly charged which the interests of the city of Montreal, I must protest against the double injustice of this article.

It is not true, as it is asserted, that the interests of Montreal have been at a particular moment in a serious and imminent danger, that if it had not been for the intervention of the hon. member for St. James, these rights and privileges would have been sacrificed. Every member of the Railway Committee knows what are his rights and duties, and I must immediately state that on the very first time that this bill came before the committee, Tuesday last, the promoters were disposed, in compliance with the request of several members, to add to their bill a clause having for object to safeguard the autonomy, not only of the city of Montreal, but of every municipality through which the company intended to construct its lines and distribute electrical energy.

It was thus entirely unnecessary and supremely unjust to say, as some Montreal papers, and especially ' La Presse,' did say, that the rights of the city of Montreal were in danger.

I protest once more in the name of the members of the committee against the false assertions of ' La Presse ' and other papers in which appeared sensational articles upon this question. I will add only one word as to that part of the editorial of ' La Presse ' where the creation of a vigilance service is suggested. For my part 1 state here that I am opposed to it. As a representative of the city of Monteral I know well enough my duties and the interests of the city of Montreal to dispense with this sort of guardianship to watch over me.

I believe that the interests of Montreal will be well guarded by the hon. members from that city whenever it will be necessary.

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SUPPLY.


House in Committee of Supply. Post Office-Outside service-Salaries and allowance, $2,737,856.25.


LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Hon. RODOLPHE LEMIEUX (Postmaster General).

There is an increase in this item of $375.47, I shall be ready to give any details that the committee may desire, but I may explain the increase generally. In the post office inspector's division, there is an increase of $10,342.60, made up of the following:-38 increases of $50 each, $1,900;

two increases of $78.25 each, $156.50- one increase of $46; one increase of $40; 11 additional clerkships. These increases are statutory increases.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Will the minister please state who the new appointees were with their offices and salaries?

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX.

In the post office in spectors' offices,, we have appointed eleven additional clerks. In the Nova Scotia division, Mr. J. H. Kennedy, junior second-class clerk was transferred from the Auditor General's office to the Halifax post office at a salary of $1,000. In the Ottawa division, Mr. L. E. Johnston, appointed fourth-class clerk at $400, transferred to the London, Ontario, division. E. Stevenson and L. Hamilton Strong, appointed fourth-class clerks at $400 a year each. In the Manitoba division. D. I. Bailey appointed fourth-class at $400. In the Calgary division. T. Humphries was transferred from the post office in Toronto at $1,000, and C. E. Duncan was transferred at $700.

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CON
LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX.

Yes, except that, in the west, we make a special allowance of 15 per cent. We sometimes transfer clerks from the inspectors' offices in the older provinces, because experienced officers are needed for new districts in the west. At present in the west, they have very good staffs. Sometimes, a clerk desires to be transferred from the west to an eastern office, or vice versa. This accounts for these transfers. In the Edmonton division, R. C. Ferguson, senior second-class clerk, transferred from the inside service at $1,100. C. Watson, junior second-class clerk, transferred from Toronto post office at $950. That makes $2,050 for the Edmonton division. In the Vancouver division W. F. Tracey, senior third-class clerk, transferred from junior third-class clerk at $800. A. L. Reid, senior third-class clerk transferred from the railway at $860. a total of $8,010. These represent the salaries of the 11 additional clerks in the inspectors' branches.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

What was the total amount of the salary increases? The minister explained the statutory increases and that is all he has explained so far.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX.

I have given the figures for the inspector's office, $10,342. In the railway mail service the figure is $117,553. In the post offices the increase is $247,581.25.

The second part of my hon. friend's question is what proportion of this increase is made applicable to the statutory increases, in the railway mail service the increase of $117,553 is made up as follows:

No. of

Increases. Amount. Total.

3

$100 0023.. .. .. .. 78 251

30 06327.. .. 50 0088 additional 12 mail transfer agents 1 additional messenger ..

Increase in mileage allowance paid to the railway companies.. Increase in provisional alloWanoe

40.000 00

10.000 00

Total increase mail railway service $117,553 25

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

If there are any exceptions to the statutory increases the minister might let us know later.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX.

I know of none. The amount is made up chiefly of statutory increases with the exception of the additional clerkships. I have given my hon. friend particulars of where these additional clerkships have been created. I come now to the additional clerkships. Mr. E. E. J. Evanturel was transferred from the Quebec office to the office of the superintendent of railway mail service in Quebec at $1,200. Mr. H. M. Harris was transferred from the Calgary post office to the office of the superintendent of railway mail service at Calgary at $670. There were nine new appointments at $400 and 75 new appointments at $501 Shall I give the names?

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I am not asking for the names. How are the new appointments divided?

for the establishment of a railway mail service. We have two systems, there is a baggage car service and a postal car service. If it is a baggage car, we pay the railway company 4 cents a mile; if it is a postal car, we give the company 8 cents a mile.

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CON
LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX.

A postal car is a post office on wheels, and clerks are stationed in that car to sort and distribute letters, and deliver them at the several stations where the train stops.

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February 26, 1909