Sit down.

Mr. SPEAKER.

The hon. member rises to a point of'order; he has the right to be heard.

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

I rise to a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I have corrected the hon. minister and I notice he did not accept my correction. 1 understand the reason for that but I do not think the statement should be repeated by the minister

even under the disabilities. I would like to say now that this report

Order.

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

I am in order. My point of order is that the minister says that the report was telegraphed to my newspaper. I have to say that that report was not telegraphed to my newspaper. My paper does not take the associated press telegrams and this despatch was copied from the Vancouver ' News-Advertiser,' which does take that service.

Order.

Mr. SPEAKER.

It is customary to accept an hon. member's statement.

Mr. AYLESWORTH.

The observation which I made Mr. Speaker, was that this answer given by me in the House, or the substance of this answer, was telegraphed to British Columbia and appeared in various newspapers there, among others in the newspaper with which the name of the hon. gentleman is connected. That statement is literally true and may be verified by any hon. member who cares to take the trouble to examine the files in the library and to refer to the issue of the ' Columbian' of the 18th of February last. Now, I may repeat what I said at the outset that in matters in which an hon. gentleman in this House takes a particular interest it is sometimes a misfortune that that same hon. gentleman should have a newspaper at his disposal. For this reason my answer to the question as to interviews of detectives with Miner, and in particular as to statements with regard to bonds which it was supposed Miner knew the hiding place of, v as very distinct and exact in saying that the first the department or any official of the department at Ottawa ever heard of even the existence of such bonds was when, after the escape of Miner and during the investigation of the circumstances of that escape held by Mr. Inspector Dawson, one of the witnesses, na'mely, Instructor Mackenzie had stated in evidence that Miner told him that a certain man named Bullick had come to the penitentiary to see him (Miner) in regard to the existence of those bends. That answer having been given to this House on the 17th of February, in the issue of the ' Columbian ' on the following day on the front page and under the heading : ' The department was unaware; Ayles-worth in Commons gives names of visitors to Bill Miner in captivity; no permission given; no records made of interview with Bullick and Terry; names registered;' there appears the statement that I gave to this House the name of chief constable Macintosh as the man who had given the evidence in question before Mr. Dawson and who had given to the officials of the department the only information on this sub-

ject which they had. I had mentioned in my answer in another connection altogether the name of Chief Constable Macintosh, but as to this particular point my answer is distinct and specific in giving the name not of Chief Constable Macintosh at all but of Instructor Mackenzie. Now, in each of the other newspapers in British Columbia the answer is correctly printed-

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

I am sorry to have to say that the statement just made by the minister is not correct.

Mr. SPEAKER.

That is not a point of order.

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

Mr. Speaker

Order.

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

I rise to this point of order: that the hon. minister is imputing dishonourable motives to me-

Order.

Mr. SPEAKER.

I have not noticed that the minister has done so.

Mr. AYLESWORTH.

In each of the other newspapers of British Columbia the answer is correctly given-

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

No.

Order.

Mr. AYLESWORTH.

The telegram in every other newspaper read that the person who gave this evidence was instructor Mackenzie, as I said, but. by some misfortune, by some alteration let us suppose in the transmission of the telegram to this particular newspaper office in British Columbia, by some possible forging of the telegram shall I say-

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

I rise to a point of order.