April 6, 1909

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Oh, no.

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George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEO. TAYLOR.

The word ' ladies ' does not appear in the Auditor General's Report.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Hear, hear.

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George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEO. TAYLOR.

But, as everybody knows, the Auditor General condenses his report, and, as any one familiar with the trade knows, as every merchant in. this House knows-I have been in the mercantile trade 25 years and will make this statement-if the minister himself or any one will walk into Bryson and Graham's store or Ross', or Murphy's and ask to see blouses, he will be told to take the elevator and go to the first floor.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Too thin.

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George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEO. TAYLOR.

The Minister of Agriculture knows nothing about it. He has never been in the mercantile trade. But I will leave it to any merchant on any side of the House, that if a person inquires for a blouse, he means a lady's blouse and nothing else. And when he inquires for a cloak, he means a lady's cloak, for that is a trade 128J

term. When he inquires for a costume, they will show him to the ladies' department. If these men gave theatrical performances and required costumes, they would have to specify actors' or actresses' costumes, but the term ' costume ' is taken in the trade to mean ladies' costume, so that I was justified in using the word ' ladies.' A couple of years ago when I was discussing the purchase of some dickeys for the sailors, my hon. friend came back the second time and explained what the French meaning of the word ' dickey ' is. He said:

My hon. friend found fault also with the cost of dickeys. Does he know exactly what a dickey is? I am afraid he does not. I may give him this definition: it is the correct term for the white flannel front that is part of the uniform of a sailor.

I tell the hon. minister that that is not correct.

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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

I understood my hon. friend to have withdrawn the word ' ladies ' and to have said that it was not in the Auditor General's Report from which he read.

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George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEO. TAYLOR.

I do not think the minister is very anxious to expedite the proceedings of the session or he would not have brought up these trifles before the House, but as he has done so, I am entitled to give an explanation, and my explanation is the quotation I have read from the ' Hansard ' of 1908, page 1082. When the minister contradicted me then, I did not think it worth while to take up the time of the House by replying. A dickey is a false shirt front made of linen, yet the minister said it is part of a sailor's uniform. I do not know that his explanation to-day is any better, and I think the best thing we could do would be to have the accounts produced at the next meeting of the Public Accounts Committee and call witnesses and find out by whom these blouses were purchased. But so far as regards the use of the word ' ladies,' that does not appear in the Auditor General's Report.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Hear, hear.

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George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEO. TAYLOR.

But I used the word to show what the goods were according to the usage of the trade. Then my hon. friend said that he asked his officers and they told him that they never bought a dollar's worth for ladies. Well, I can go through the Public Accounts and find that any quantity of stuff was purchased for ladies and name the items.

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An hon. MEMBER.

For the * Arctic '?

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George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEO. TAYLOR.

No, not ladies' hats on the ' Arctic,' but on the steamers and in the channel. In these are goods charged for the ladies. The hon. minister has laid down a challenge, and I will produce the items of ladies' goods from the Auditor General's Report. Then I will ask the hon. minister

to apologize to the House for challenging my accuracy with regard to items which I quote from the Auditor General's Report. He could have been much better employed than to bringing up this matter before the House.

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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

I invite my hon. friend to make all the investigations he wants and he will find that the statement he made is not correct. He will find that all those goods were purchased for the sailors.

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George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEO. TAYLOR.

I say it is a waste of money. We might as well throw the money into the river as buy 8 blouses at $30 each for use of men working on the steamers and dredges in the ship canals. Then cloaks at $30. But cloaks are only worn by ladies. You do not buy cloaks for men working on dredges. I am surprised that the minister can get up and justify these items as a proper expenditure of the people's money.

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CIVIL SERVICE EXAMINERS.

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. GEO. E. FOSTER (North Toronto).

After this grave and delicate matter has been disposed of, I would like to ask if the right hon. the Prime Minister has decided whether or not it is the duty of the government to bring down according to law, the report of the Civil Service examiners. I have asked three or four times for that report and it has not yet come down. In the meantime, I have inquiries from many sources as to the rules and regulations, which I cannot answer because nothing has yet been brought down.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

There has been some misapprehension between the Civil Service Commissioners and the Secretary of State. I shall try to give my hon. friend an answer to-morrow.

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PORT STANLEY PIER.

CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. T. W. CROTHERS (West Elgin).

I wish to call the attention of the government, and especially the Minister of Public Works, to information I have from a responsible citizen of the village of Port Stanley, to the effect that the wages of the labourers employed on the government pier there are three months in arrears. I had occasion to draw the attention of the Minister of Public Works earlier in the session to the condition of affairs there. I want to do him the justice to say that he very promptly saw that the wages then in arrears were paid. But if the information I have to-day is correct, the wages are again in arrears to the extent of three months, and I would ask the hon. Minister if it be the policy of his department that we should give him a reminder that these wages are due. If that be the policy of the department, I will Mr. G. TAYLOR.

make a note of it in my diary, and will see that he is reminded every month. If the information is correct-I have it from a responsible man living in the village-I would ask the Minister of Public Works if he would see that these men are paid. It is too bad that labouring men should have to go without their wages for three months especially in the winter season.

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I have received no information in regard to the wages of labourers being in arrears at Port Stanley, but I

will look into the matter.

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April 6, 1909