April 6, 1909

SUPPLY-CONCURRENCE.


House proceeded to consider resolutions reported from Committee of Supply. _


CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. J. HAGGART.

Mr. Speaker, I rise to a point of order. It is an innovation simply to read the number of each item and the amount. It is a rule of the House that the item itself must be read.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

My hon. friend is mistaken as respects recent years. In my experience the practice has been precisely as at present. The presumption is that if any hon. gentlemen wishes to speak on any particular item, he will take note of it, and deal with it when it comes.

Mr. ,7. D. REID. I have been trying to find in the estimates the different items, and I cannot tell what we are passing. I see no way of finding the items.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

There is no real difficulty, although it involves a little trouble. If the hon. gentleman will consult the Votes and Proceedings for each day on which the committee sat he will find the items.

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. HAGGART.

The rule of the House is that the item shall be read, although that rule has not been adhered to.

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I am informed by the two previous Speakers that the custom with them was to read the amount. If the hon. gentleman insists on having the item read he is entitled to it.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

The rule of the House is that in order to inform the House the subject matter shall be read out as well as the amount. That system, however, was found to entail great waste of time and in order to facilitate the transaction of business the practice has been adopted of simply reading the number of the resolution and the amounts of the several items. I would be disposed to adhere to that rule, and hon. members would understand what was under discussion by referring to the Votes and Proceedings.

Kingston Roy pi Military College, additional accommodation, $57,000.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I move that this item of $57,000 be reduced to $37,000.

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Motion agreed to.


LIB

William Cameron Edwards

Liberal

Mr. EDWARDS.

I beg to call the hon. gentleman's attention to the item of $15,000 for a veterinary hospital which, I understand, was to be struck out.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I think that was struck out in the committee.

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LIB

William Cameron Edwards

Liberal

Mr. EDWARDS.

It was voted in the committee and the minister said he would strike it out on concurrence.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I thank my hon. friend (Mr. Edwards) for calling my attention to it. My recollection was that it had been considered in committee and had been struck out. But I will move now that the item be struck out. *

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Motion agreed to, item as amended concurred in. Bradbury, Magrath, Broder, Marshall, Burrell, Middlebro, Chisholm (Huron), Nantel, Clare, Northrup, Crothers, Paquet, Currie (Simcoe), Reid (Grenville), Daniel, Russell, Doherty, Sohaffner, Donnelly, Sex smith, Edwards, Smyth, Elson, Sproule, Foster, Stanfield, Goodeve, Stewart, Gordon (Nipissing), Taylor (Leeds), Haggart (Lanark), Thoburn, Henderson, Thornton, Herron, White (Renfrew), Hughes, Wilson (Lennox and Kidd, Addington), Lake, Wright.-52. Lalor, NAYS: Messieurs Public Works-Chargeable to income-Harbours and rivers-New Brunswick-Richibuc-to cape-Breakwater wharf, $10,000.


LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I move that this item be reduced from $10,000 to $5,000. The reason is that $5,000 is all we shall be able to spend to advantage this year.

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Motion agreed to. Item as amended concurred in. Department of Militia and Defence-Salaries, $111,690.


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Hon. S@

I move in amendment that the words lie added ' including the salary of C. L. Panet, $2,600.' There is no increase involved. The reason of the amendment is that the Auditor General will not pay the amount unless the name is mentioned. There is no provision under the new Civil Service law for private secretaries. This amount is precisely what has been paid, but it includes an amount of $500 for private secretary. I want these words added so that the salary can be paid.

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Amendment agreed to. Trent canal-construction, $1,000,000.


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Mr. J. A.@

CURRIE moved that the item of $1,000,000 for Trent canal construction be reduced by whatever amount is contained therein for expenditure upon the Newmarket canal.

House divided on. amendment.

Beauparlant,

Belaud,

Bickerdike,

Black,

Borden (Sir Fred'k.), Boyer,

Brodeur,

Brown,

Calvert,

Carrier,

Carvell,

Cash,

Chisholm (Antigonish), Chisholm (Inverness), Conmee,

Currie (Prince Edw.), Demers,

Dubeau,

Ethier,

Fielding,

Fisher,

Fortier,

Fowke,

Gauvrean,

Girard,

Gladu,

Gordon (Kent), Hodgins,

Hunt,

Lanctot (Laprairie-Napierville), Lapointe,

Laurier (Sir Wilfrid), Lavergne,

Law,

Lemieux,

Loggie,

Lovell,

MaoNutt,

McCoig,

McCraney,

McIntyre (Perth), McIntyre (Strathcona), McLean (Huron), Major,

Maroile (Bagot), Martin (Montreal, St. Mary's),

Martin (Regina), Martin (Wellington), Meigs,

Michaud,

Miller,

Molloy,

Murphy,

Nesbitt,

Neely,

Parent,

Paterson,

Proulx,

Pugsley,

Rankin,

Rivet,

Ross,

Roy (Montmagny), Rutan,

Savoie,

Schell,

Sealey,

Seguin,

Smith (Middlesex), Stratton,

Sutherland,

Talbot,

Tobin,

Tolmie,

Turcotte (Nicolet), Turgeon,

Turriff,

Verville,

Warburton,

Wilson (Laval).-80.

YEAS:

Messieurs

Ames,

Barnard,

Barr,

Blain,

Boyce,

Lancaster,

Lortie,

Macdonell,

McCall,

McCarthy,

Ministerial.

McDonald,

Kyte,

McAllister, McLean (N.S.), Pickup, Geoflrion,

PAIRS:

Opposition.

Madden,

Lennox,

Sharpe (Lisgar), Rhodes,

J ameson,

Crosby,

McLean (Sunbury Price,

and Queens),

Prouse, Staples,

White (Alt.), Campbell,

Smith (B.C.), Cowan,

German, Arthurs,

Guthrie, W allace,

Harty, Fraser,

Templeman, Taylor i(B.C.),

Pardee, Sharpe (Ont.),

Aylesworth Haggart (Winnipeg),

Smith (Stormont), Blondin,

Knowles, Meighen,

Graham, R. L. Borden,

Emmerson, Maclean (York),

Sifton, Roche,

Oliver, Osier,

Clark (Red Deer), Monk

McColl (North- Barker,

umherland),

Clarke, Porter,

McGiverin Armstrong,

MoMillan, I'erley,

LeBlanc, Crocket,

Sinclair, Worthington,

Harris, fi Bristol,

Devlin, Forget,

Chew, Owen,

Low, Lewis,

Allen, Beattie,

Amendment (Mr. J. A. Currie) negatived and item concurred in.

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April 6, 1909