November 29, 1910

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I do not want this thing to go just as it stands now. The leader of the House knows very well that we cannot work on together in this House, or in any other House, if one side of it is to use the word ' liar ' and when the gentleman or the man who used it acknowledges it he is not reprimanded by the Speaker; and on the other side of the House when a man uses the word ' coward ' as my hon. friend did in a joking way I am thoroughly assured

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Oh, well, well, well.

Mr. FOSTER-the Speaker makes it his business not only to call him to order, but to go further, a thing that I have never before seen in this House in my 23 years experience, and demand without being asked by any member in the House, that this

gentleman apologize, we cannot live this way, and we will not live this way.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Oh.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I do not care what the Speaker's views are or what his affiliations are, he must be fair to both sides of the House. That is all I ask. I do not know' whether the gentleman is here who used the word ' liar,' but if so he can cut the Gordian knot mighty quickly, as far as he is concerned, by getting up in his place and making an apology to the House, it will be then left for the Speaker to explain his conduct.

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An hon. MEMBER.

The man is here, let him apologize.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I have again to appeal to the other side of the House. We are here to legislate, wre are here guided by certain rules, and one rule of the House is that an incident of this nature cannot be recalled in the midst of a debate. The Speaker may have been right, or he may have been wrong, this is not the time for me or any one

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

Let him apologize.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

No, this is not the time. I appeal to the House, this can be made a subject of a debate, we can have a debate over this, we can determine if Mr. Speaker was right or wrong, every decision of the Speaker is subject to appeal. I have to say this, and to appeal to the other side that on the present occasion we must proceed with the debate.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Apologize, order.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. HUGHES.

I might point out to the First Minister that he could very quickly settle this matter by appealing to the Speaker

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LIB
L-C

Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. HUGHES.

And make the hon. gentleman apologize.

Sir WILFRID LAURIER Order! Go

on.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Question.

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS.

I rise at this moment to move the adjournment of the debate. I think that will be the proper thing to do.

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I know that the House will bear with me for a. moment while I say a word further in explanation and that it will admit that I, myself, of my own initiative, called upon the hon. member for Temiscouata (Mr. Gauvreau) to withdraw the expression which he had used, as I considered that was the proper course in the discharge of my duty.

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

Because I did not hear the word used. But, I consider it my duty to ask the hon. gentleman to withdraw the expression and now, as I am the humble servant of the House and as I am here to maintain its rules. I called upon the hon. member for Temiseouata to withdraw the expression and he withdrew it.

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

He withdrew the expression as 'Hansard' shows. I did not at the time call upon him to apologize because I did not hear as I have heard in this case, the hon. member use that expression. If, under the circumstances, the hon. member for Temiseouata considers that he will be fulfilling his duty by apologizing for the expression I think he should do so now.

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Charles Arthur Gauvreau

Liberal

Mr. C. A. GAUVREAU (Temiseouata).

(Translation.) If it is against the rules of the House I have nothing to say.

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November 29, 1910