December 12, 1910

BISLEY RIFLE MEETING-DRASTIC CHANGES PROPOSED.


The annual prize meeting of the National Rifle Association held at Bisley in July last brought prominently into notice the necessity for reform if the Bisley meeting was to continue in existence. It may be recalled that the scoring was phenomenally high despite the introduction of the figure target at 500 yards, and in some cases men who made the highest possible score were counted out of the prize list as the result of tie shooting. The council of the National Rifle Association seem to have been fully alive to the need for a thorough re-organization of the Bisley programme in order to revive popularity in the meeting, which last year must have resulted in considerable financial loss owing to the falling-off in the attendance of marksmen and the decreased revenue from unlimited entry events owing to the high standard of shooting with the use of the aperture sight. We have received from Colonel Crosse, the secretary of the National Rifle Association a summary of resolutions that have been adopted by the council. From these the drastic nature of the proposed changes will be realized by marksmen who are familiar with Bisley programmes. The next Bisley meeting will commence on Monday, July 10, and it has been decided to approach the War Office authorities with the view to greater encouragement being given to members of the territorial force to attend the meeting. The service rifle programme of the Bisley meeting will be divided into two parts-'expert' and 'non-expert'-to be called Class 'A' and Class 'B' respectively, the 'expert' meeting to consist of the principal service rifle competitions as at present, reduced in length so that the 'expert' competitions all take place in the second week of the meeting. In each of the principal competitions in the 'A' Class some prizes will be reserved at the bottom of the list for 'B' Class home territorial competitors. The 'B' Class competitions will occupy the days immediately preceding the 'A' Class competitions. Shooting in the 'B' territorial class will be on the lines of the standard test. 'B' Class competitors are to be defined as being those who have not won a prize of £5 or upwards in any service rifle competition at a National Rifle Association meeting during the last five years, and, for the territorial competitions, are home territorials actually serving or in the first-class territorial reserve; and, for the all-comers' competitions, the allcomers must be permanently resident in the British Isles. In the 'B' Class territorial competitions rifles (rack or government viewed) and sights as issued must be used-orthoptics not allowed. In the 'B' Class all-comers' competitions rifles, must be of the British service rifle pattern, but slings and aperture sights may be used as allowed for Class 'A.' The 500 and 600, yards targets are to remain as at present, but a figure target is to be adopted at 200 yards, with rings for scoring purposes. The following will be the dimensions of the scoring rings on targets at 200, 300, 500 and 600 yards in 1911 Bull's-eye. Inner. Magpie. Outer In. dia. In. dia. In. dia. Yds. 200 5 12 21 Remainder of tar-300 8 17 26 get, 4 ft. x 4 ft. Circular, 48 in.500 18 30 46 dia. Remainder of tar-600 18 30 46 get, 6 ft. x 6 ft. Circular, 72 in. dia. The charges for hut accommodation at the next Bisley meeting will be considerably reduced, and the charges for ground space in the bazaar will vary according to the amount of space occupied.


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Major C. B.@

Collard, late R.M.L.I., has been invited to become a co-opted member of the Rifle Clubs and Associations Committee.

It is proposed to hold miniature meetings under the auspices of the National Rifle Asso-siation at Birmingham and Gloucester in 1911.

His Majesty the King has graciously consented to become the patron of the National Rifle Association.

1. Are tyros or class ' B ' riflemen from Great Britain and Ireland eligible to compete in the Dominion of Canada rifle matches at

Ottawa? If so, are they required to use the service rifle of Great Britain?

2. As under the new Bisley rules no class ' B ' riflemen will be permitted to use a Ross rifle, and no Canadian can compete therein, is it the intention of the government to endeavour to have it so arranged that the Ross rifle may be used, and Canadian tyros may compete in the class ' B ' matches at Bisley?

3. In view of the imperial character of the Bisley rifle matches, and to place the territorial 'and other forces of the mother country and other colonies on an equality with Canadians in the matches, has the government considered the propriety of annually loaning to the British government for the use of the non-Canadian competitors, a sufficient number, say a few thousand, of long Ross rifles, so that all competitors from any part of the empire may have the advantage of using a long Ross rifle for the Bisley matches?

4. If the British government or the National Rifle Association, through the British government, requested such a loan of long Ross rifles, would the Canadian government accede to the request?

5. If such loan of rifles were made, and all other competitors thus placed on an equality with the Canadians, would the government of Canada feel justified in seeking to have Canadian tyros using the long Ross Rifle, allowed to shoot in class ' B ' matches ?

6. Have long Ross rifles ever been loaned by Canada to competitors from Great Britain at Bisley ?

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Sir FREDERICK BORDEN: (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

1. This is a matter which is under the control of the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association. It is, however understood that Tyros or Class ' B * riflemen from Great Britain and Ireland would be eligible to compete at the Dominion of Canada Rifle matches at Ottawa, and that they would be permitted to use the service rifle of Great Britain.

2. This is, also, a matter for the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association, but the denaTtment will be only too glad to co-operate in any effort to promote the interests of rifle shooting.

3 and 4. Should such a request be made, it would, of course, be acceded to.

5. This is a matter for the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association, but the department will be only too glad to co-operate in any effort to promote the interests of rifle shooting.

6. Yes. Twelve Ross rifles were loaned to the captain of the mother country Kola-pore cup team in June last.

* Mr. HUGHES:

Referring to the following extract from the London 'Mail,' dated London, September 12. 1910

' I found the Canadians and their chums, the Buffs, as usual, cheek by jowl. The Canadians had entrenched themselves, and in consequence proved, with the remainder of the brigade, a terribly tough nut to,crack. They had opposed to them the 3rd Rifles, the 1st Mr. HUGHES.

Worcesters, and the 1st East Yorkshires. The latter suffered overwhelming disaster. Whether they presumed on assumed innocence or not is not clear, but they advanced recklessly against the Canadians, moving down a long slope under heavy fire, dipping into a hollow and then coming up a rise.

' They did it under the eyes of General Sir Horace Smith Dorrien, who sent a staff officer to the umpire, and the Yorkshire men were ordered by the half-dozen to hoist the little yellow screens which indicated our casualties are heavy. It nearly came to blows. Some of the East Yorkshires crept up through a high hedge, and the Canadians and they exchanged shot so closely that faces were stung by the explosion. The East Yorkshires were annihilated and could do no more, because they were against an entrenched position, but they retired like all British soldiers, happily for the nation, sulkily and unwillingly. Many were wiping the Canadian ammunition out of their eyes, and using bitter words, but the Canadians said, wliy did they butt into us? We were not moving, they need not have come so close.'

1. Are the Canadians referred to the Queen's Own Rifles of Toronto, who visited Great Britain last summer?

2. Were they armed with the Ross rifle?

3. Were these rifles found unserviceable?

4. Did they block and become useless on account of sand or for other cause?

5. Were those rifles that did such splendid execution in the action referred to, Ross rifles ?

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Sir FREDERICK BORDEN: (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

1. Undoubtedly, as this was the only Canadian corps taking part in the English manoeuvres in September, 1910.

2. The Queen's Own Rifles were armed with the Ross rifle.

3 and 4. No adverse report of any description has been received by this department. On the contrary entire satisfaction has been expressed by the commanding officer.

5. Yes.

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IMPERIAL REALTY COMPANY.


* Mr. SHARPE (Ontario): 1. Has the government cancelled the contract for heating the Woods and the Canadian buildings leased by the government from the Imperial Realty Company, Limited? 2. If so, is it the intention of the government to have the lighting done by contract, or does the government purpose doing the lighting itself ?


LIB

Mr. PUGSLEY: (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

1. Yes.

2. A contract for the lighting has been made with the Municipal Electric Company of Ottawa.

TnEFTS FROM GOVERNMENT SHOPS, SOREL.

* Mr. MONK:

1. Has the government received complaints of depredations committed in the Marine Department at Sorel?

2. What was the nature of these complaints, and has an inquiry been made?

3. By whom has this inquiry been made, has the report been furnished to the department, and when will it be laid on the table of the House?

4. Is it true that a considerable quantity of brass and copper has been stolen from the department at Sorel, and who are_ the parties who committed these depredations?

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LIB

Mr. BRODEUR: (Minister of the Naval Service; Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

1. Yes.

2, 3 and 4. The director of the government shipyard reported to the Department of Marine and Fisheries that brass articles of the value of about $60 had been stolen from the government vessels and shops at Sorel.

The director was authorized to prosecute the guilty parties. The parties were brought before the courts. Gailloux and Albert were convicted, and the other named Gerard was acquitted.

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ADMINISTRATOR OF GOVERNMENT.


* Mr. DANIEL: 1. Does the chief justice, or other senior justice of the Supreme Court of Canada, when acting as administrator of the government, receive extra pay or emolument for that service? If so, what emolument does he receive? 2. Did Mr. Justice Girouard receive any pay as administrator of the government during August last or any part of that month?


LIB

Sir WILFRID LAURIER: (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

1. Yes, when His Excellency the Governor General of Canada has been absent from Canada for a period exceeding 29 days the administrator receives one quarter of his salary for the time he acts in excess of the 29 days.

2. No.

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GRANTS TO VETERANS.


* Mr. MIDDLEBRO: Does the government intend during the present session bringing down any legislation with reference to the grant of lands or money to the veterans of 1866 and 1870?


LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

The government has come to the conclusion that it is not in the public interest to grant public lands except as provided by law upon conditions of residence and settlement.

It is not intended to recommend a grant of money in view of the fact that pensions were granted at the time to the wounded and to the families of those who were killed in the Fenian Raid engagements.

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POSTMASTER AT ST. JOHNS, P.Q.


* Mr. AMES: Has the undermentioned correspondence, which appears in the front page of 'Le Devoir' of December 1, 1910, been brought to the attention of the acting Postmaster General? If so, what action has been taken thereon, and who was the employee responsible for the action ? Montreal, November 29, 1910. Mr. George Fortin, St. John, Province of Quebec. Dear Sir,- Your postmaster advises us that you refuse our paper which appears on our books as paid for up to January 10, 1910. I do not want to drop your name from our list of subscribers until you personally notify us to that effect. I beg you to be good enough to confirm this. Yours truly, L. P. DESLONGCHAMPS, Manager, ' Le Devoir.' Mr. L. P. Deslongchamps, ' Le Devoir, Montreal. Dear sir,- I have just read your letter under date of November 29, 1910, informing me that you have been notified by the postmaster of St. John that I refuse your paper. This is absolutely untrue; I know nothing of this matter. Some days ago I failed to find ' Le Devoir ' in my post office box to my great annoyance. Ail the same I have read it every day for I procure the paper from your agent in St. John. I was just on the point of asking you for explanations. Our postmaster must tell me without delay why he, all of a sudden, ceased to deliver my paper. Rest assured that I am and will continue to be not only a subscriber and a reader of your paper but an admirer as long as the paper continues to be what it is to-day. I am greatly obliged to you for having taken the trouble of bringing the facts to my notice. Yours truly, GEORGE FORTIN.


LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

The correspondence has not been brought to the attention of the acting Postmaster General nor of the department, but the subject referred to will be inquired into.

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MILITIA DEPARTMENT.


* Mr. CAMPBELL: By what authority has a member of parliament to produce a pass before he can enter the offices of the Department of Militia?


December 12, 1910