May 10, 1911

CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARMSTRONG.

What did they both amount to, the whoft trade?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

This trade was begun in 1906 when it amounted to $259,000. During the nine months of the following year it amounted to $317,000; in 1908, $477,000; in 1909, $817,000, and in 1910, $904,000.

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LIB

William Cameron Edwards

Liberal

Mr. EDWARDS.

Does the Mexican government pay any subsidy for this Atlantic service?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

The government of Mexico pays $50,000 for the Atlantic service.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

And a subsidy on the Pacific also?

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

No, on the Pacific they pay no subsidy.

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George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

The Prime Minister stated that the trade is increasing satisfactorily. I do not find that the figures given in the Trade and Commerce report are very satisfactory. In 1908 the total tons carried by this line were 14,855; in 1909, 16,337, and in 1910,

13.642. There was less freight carried in 1910 than in 1908. Further than that I see that in 1907 the number of tons carried was 45,811, whereas it has fallen in 1910 to

13.642. I would like to know whether the Prime Minister thinks that is a healthy condition?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

My hon. friend only takes the tons carried. But, there are the tons weight and the tons measurement which are very important considerations. The figures are as follows:

Tons Tons

Weight. Meas't.

1908, In , .. 4,360 41,870Out . .. 10,495 21,975

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Total. ..@

.. 14,865 63,845

1909, In . .. 2,110 26,751Out .. 14,277 15,239Total.. .. .. 16,337 41,990

In 1910 there is a corresponding increase in respect of the traffic, and especially the ton measurement showing that thg trade in lumber especially seems to have increased.

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George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

The minister is making a poor argument. The figures for the tons measurement show that the quantity carried in 1910 was less than half as much as that carried in 1908.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Possibly. I understand that one of the reasons why the tons weight has decreased is because they cannot get any more sisal in Mexico.

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Adam Brown Crosby

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROSBY.

This is a subsidy in the right direction. It is a subsidy that is beginning to build up a trade that could not be built up by any other method. I think the merchants of Canada feel that they have benefited by this service, and that they hope some day to have a large trade. This is not like some of the other subventions in regard to which the traffic could be handled without a subsidy. This is a trade that we would get if we did not grant this steamship subsidy.

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LIB

William Cameron Edwards

Liberal

Mr. EDWARDS.

Can the right hon. gentleman inform me as to the amount of duty collected on imports from Mexico in 1908 and 1910?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Not at this moment. I can find out the particulars later.

Steamship service between Canada and Mexico upon the Pacific Ocean, $75,000.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

This is a subsidy that was inaugurated over five years ago. The contractor is Mr. Thomas Herbert Worsnop, of Vancouver. The steamships engaged are the ' Lonsdale/ net tonnage, 2,043, speed, 11-25 knots, and the ' Georgia,' net tonnage 1,778, gross 2,797, and speed 11 knots. It is a monthly service of 12 complete trips during each year, from Vancouver and Victoria to Salina Cruz, Mexico, calling on both north and south bound voyages at Mazatlan, Manzanillo and Acapulco in Mexico. The first contract, made September 17, 1906, allowed a period of six months to place ships on the route, and was to continue for two years from first sailing from Vancouver, which was May 1, 1907... This contract expired May 1, 1909. The new contract is for three years from May_l, 1909, and expires May 1, 1912. The amount paid is $75,000 per annum.

'Steam service or services between Canada and Newfoundland, $18,000. .

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

This is a well known subsidy. The service is performed by the Reid Newfoundland Company, by three steamers, the ' Bruce,' which was recently destroyed, _ the ' Glencoe,' and the ' Invermore.' It is a daily service except Sunday, between North Sydney and Port au Basque.

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John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

Do these steamers run to Sydney in the winter?

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Yes.

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CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARMSTRONG.

May I ask the Prime Minister what progress has been made towards bringing Newfoundland into the confederation, and what effort has been put forth towards bringing about that happy state of affairs.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

None whatever, since the offer of Newfoundland was not accepted in 1894. We have made no effort on our part to bring Newfoundland into confederation. Not that our view upon the subject has changed, but we understand that the people of Newfoundland are not at all favourable to confederation, and no effort that we could make would induce them to come in at the present time.

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May 10, 1911