My hon. friend can give that information to the House if he sees fit. He is probably a great deal better posted in that respect than I am. I do not happen to know very much about hogs. We do not export many from the West and I am not familiar with the figures. But my hon. friends opposite, for some months past, have been heard saying to the people of the West: You do not need reciprocity now, you have practically got it because you can send your cattle over to the United States. Let me tell the Minister of Finance and every hon. gentleman opposite that this is very far from the truth. We have a free market for our cattle, and see what it means-a dollar a hundred at least on the price for every farmer in the West for his steers, but the artisans and the consumers in the cities are suffering on account of that. Under reciprocity corresponding advantages should occur, but under the present arrangement, while the farmer gets more for his cattle, the artisans in the cities who are working on half time are paying more for their beef, and they are not getting the fruit, vegetables or anything else that would have come in free under reciprocity to counteract the increased price they are paying for their beef. Under reciprocity a certain quantity of eggs, butter and other farm products would have come in. Why should we not get those things? We cannot get those things now from our neighbours without paying duty. They are coming in, as a matter of fact, and we are paying the duty. They always come in and they always will come in. Why not take off the duties and give the people a chance to get cheaper food? .
Let me draw your attention, Mr. Speaker, to the question of oats; and this will he interesting, I am sure, to my hon. friends from the West who sit upon the other side of the House. The duty on oats going into the United States prior to the 6th October last was 12 cents a bushel. Practically no oats were then going into the United States. On the 6th October the duty was cut down to 6 cents a bushel. Shortly after that time I was up on the Manitoba and Northwestern line, at Saltcoats, Yorkton and other places, and while there I met several grain dealers and they told me that immediately the duty was lowered in the United States they had an influx of American buyers. Prior to the 6th October the price of oats at Saltcoats, Yorkton, and different points in that vicinity, was 22 cents a bushel at the elevator. The moment American buyers came in they advanced the price to 28 cents a bushel and then paid 6 cents duty. From the 6th October to the 31st December over 20,000,000 bushels of Canadian oats went into the United States and paid 6 cents a bushel duty. Thus $1,200,000 was taken out of the pockets of the western farmers that might have been left there if we had had reciprocity. With reference to flax and barley the condition is much worse. What we have now is not reciprocity. I heard one hon. gentleman on the other side of the House saying yesterday that they would be delighted to contest another election on the question of reciprocity. I want to say that he would not be half as delighted as we would be to contest an election on reciprocity.
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Subtopic: THE BUDGET.