If my hon. lriend'3 contention is true, supposing he knocked off 20 per cent from his 50 to 60 per cent, he would still be getting 30 to 40 per cent more in Canada than in the United States. In other words, if you remove the amount of duty, you have a vast difference of 30 to 40 per cent, according to my hon. friend. Anybody can see at a glance that those figures cannot be correct, and that wholesale prices must have been taken as against, retail.
My hon. friend has made an accusation against the firm carrying my own name. Although I dislike to refer to a matter that is so personal, I feel that I cannot allow his statement to go unchallenged. According to ' Hansard ' of last night, he makes the following statement, referring to myself:
The hon. gentleman could sell a Cockshutt plough in the United States, years ago, and pay a 15 per cent duty-
You notice that he says we pay the duty.
-and 45 per cent duty on the repairs, and undersell, or compete to the extent of selling trainloads in the United States.
That sounds very fine. I wonder if my hon. friend thinks that is correct. The United States duties on agricultural implements during the last few months have been entirely removed. I have yet to learn of one plough having gone across the line, either our own or any other make. Just the other day I asked a leading implement
dealer, who knows more about such matters than I do, and he stated that, even with the removal of the duty, he does not think that an agricultural implement has gone from Canada into the United States. My hon. friend has rather tantalized me to give him a little bit of history with regard to a shipment of ploughs once to the United States. Let me tell him how his friends the Americans will treat him if he ever gets into their hands, because we know with regret that when we deal with Uncle Sam we have to go in with a coat of mail and with shining armour if we are to come out again with a whole skin. What happened to the train-load of Cockshutt ploughs to which my hon. friend referred? They were seized at the border, condemned for under-valuation, dragged through the courts and fined thousands of dollars, although those ploughs were entered at a higher price in the United States than American concerns were entering their ploughs at in the city of Winnipeg. My hon. friends want to place the farmers in the same position. What has happened with regard to potatoes? We send the potatoes across the border. As soon as we begin to get a market the Americans say that our potatoes are diseased, not fit to mix with American potatoes of high standard. They are condemned because they are diseased. Ship your cattle over the border and, as soon as you begin to get a market established, quarantine and the tuberculosis test will do the trick. My hon. friend would not be sending his wheat into the United States for more than a month or two before the Americans would find smut in it, or that it was not properly classified, and I will defy my hon. friend to go into the United States and get a clean deal on his wheat. The whole history of trade with the United States from start to finish is that, when it comes to carrying out their side of a commercial bargain, they do not do it aright. They have not learned the principle of British fair play and honesty. I am sorry to have to say that, but I can speak feelingly. If my hon. friend tries it with his wheat, he will fare the same as others have done with potatoes and agricultural implements and fish in cans. The fish go in free, but they catch you on the cans.
When my hon. friend the Minister of Finance said that he did not believe in interlocking legislation, he struck a true chord that will find a responsive ring
throughout the Dominion of Canada from every business man. These hon. gentlemen would hand us over, body and soul, to the United States; they would interlock our tariff with that of the United States; they would let Washington dictate the interpretation of the tariff, and we would be hunted in the United States and dragged from court to court for interpretations on this, that and the other thing. My hon. friend knows that that has been the history of trading with the American people from away back. Even when it comes to carrying out financial obligations, we find that they are very slow to do so. We hope to have a fair settlement in regard to the Panama canal tolls, but it is taking a great deal of backbone on the part of Mr. Woodrow Wilson, the President of the United States; and if he succeeds in that, he will put a plume into the American flag that has not been there for some years.
Subtopic: THE BUDGET.