May 23, 1914


Section agreed to. On section 6-new section:


CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER:

This section provides that what has hitherto applied to barrels and half-barrels shall apply to bags and packages. Subsection d is unnecessary, as it is provided for in section 7, 164b, and I move th A it be struck out.

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Motion agreed to.


LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Why is there in subsection b an exception to the requirements stating weight in the case of feed?

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER:

That is that the provisions of subsection b as to brand shall not apply to feed. The reason is that these feeds have not settled down into what you may call standard qualities and it is considered better that the brand should be omitted from feeds. The weights and the composition, however, shall be stated.

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LIB

William Frederic Kay

Liberal

Mr. KAY:

Where the feed is made from weed seed, will that toe stated on the package?

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER:

Yes.

Section, as amended, agreed to.

On section 7-exceptions from provisions as to marking.

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER:

The object of the first subsection is to avoid interfering more than is necessary with people who go into a store to buy flour for themselves, who have their own packages and have the flour weighed out in their presence. They are supposed to be able to look after themselves. Subsection b was placed in the Bill when it

passed the Senate before, chiefly, I am told, on the representation of the late Senator Campbell. The reason is that there are many buyers of Canadian flour doing business in foreign countries who do not want all these marks upon the flour. They buy the flour and put on their own brands or marks; if brands are placed on before it is sold by the miller in Canada that restricts the sale. The situation is similar to that [DOT]with respect to binder twine which was [DOT]dealt with by the House this session.

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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I wish to put in the same -protest against this as I did against the [DOT]other. I think it is a very short-sighted provision. I think we should make it our first principle, in dealing with foreign countries especially, that what we sell will be according to specifications and will be as represented. I certainly cannot appreciate the attitude of mind of dealers who do not want to have the facts as to the commodity they deal in stated plainly, and shown by the certificates and authority of the Government of the country in which the article is bought.

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LIB

William F. Carroll

Liberal

Mr. CARROLL:

Might this not hurt Canadian trade in flour and hurt the Canadian miller through foreign dealers misrepresenting Canadan products?

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER:

As to being injurious to

millers, it is the millers who wish to have this done. This does not go as a Canadian flour, and so the use of these brands does not depreciate Canadian brands. There are no brands upon it as it leaves this country. The buyer puts his own brands on.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

The large dealer in Liverpool who deals with a Canadian miller generally knows whether that miller is honest or not and whether he is going to get what he buys on sample. The brand is put on to suit the market where it is going.

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Section agreed to. On section 8-requirements as to barrels:


LIB

James Alexander Robb

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

Has the minister had any

representations as to permitting the use of other material than wood?

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LIB
CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER:

' Or other suitable material ' might be quite proper. If it should be found that it is desired to use other material in these barrels it would be an easy matter to amend the Act.

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Section agreed to. On section 14-deficiency in weight:


CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER:

A representation has been made to me since this was passed. The old section concludes:

Unless such deficiency of weight appears to be occasioned by some accident unknown to such manufacturer or packer and happening after the packing of the barrel or half-barrel.

I have been asked to put in after the word ' packer':

Or normal shrinkage due to natural causes.

This seems a fair thing, and I have no objection to its insertion.

Section, as amended, agreed to.

On section 15-selling flour, etc., in bags, not properly marked:

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May 23, 1914