have instructions given, either t: the captains of the dredges of the department or to the contractors, to first dredge the sand bars which are on the inside of the harbour over which the water is not so deep as in the general channel. When last summer I saw that they had not done that I called the attention of the chief engineer to it and immediately one of the dredges of the department, the St. Lawrence, went to work on the upper bar. They have done some work there. The lower bar not being dredged, however, there is no more advantage to navigation than if nothing had been done. I understand the contractors made some objections, claiming that the work belonged to them and that they were not ready to do it. I do not care how it is done, but last fall the shippers were greatly handicapped by the want of facilities. Two or three more ships could have been brought up in the late season and could have been loaded; whereas, owing to the condition of the bar, the lumber had to be kept in until spring. I would urge the minister to see that
the inside bars are dredged at once to the
level of the harbour. That could he done in a week's work. A great deal of correspondence has taken place with the department about the deposit of the spoil of the dredges into Bathurst channel. Everybody in Bathurst and Gloucester county knows that I want every inch of water possible for the main channel and when I objected to the affluent into that channel it was because it would not help navigation at all. A breastwork should be put in at the point of divergence and nobody knows that better than the chief engineer for he made a survey of that harbour twenty years ago, and conditions have not changed since. I see that the resident engineer recommends that a training wall should be built near the old mill, called at that time the Bathurst mill. He says it could be done for about $4,000 and it is certainly the only practical way of reserving the water for the main channel. I wish to impress upon the minister the necessity of having that work done.
Not at all; this breastwork can be built while the dredging is going on. I wish the dredging to be proceeded with as rapidly as possible, but I urge that this breastwork be put in at the point of divergence. I think the chief engineer will understand what I mean.
Might I ask the minister whether he intends to go on with this work. This amount has been voted and revoted since 1911 but nothing has been done. I do not blame the present Minister of Public Works for that, but it is very important the work should be done. If I were to trace the delay to its source I might find that the Minister of Marine had been the greatest sinner. I think it was he who told the late lamented Minister of Public Works, after representations had been made to him, which were not, however, justifiable, that the location was not a proper one. The lowest tenderer had already been awarded the contract, but he was later on advised that the plans and location might be changed. Reports have been made to the department recommending another site about one-quarter of a mile farther up than tne one first chosen by the engineer and recommended by myself and other gentle-266
men who know that district. The Minister of Marine knows I have made a study of these shores for the last forty years, and that it is of no consequence to me personally whether the location is a quarter of a mile further south or further north. I ask the minister to take the resident engineer into his confidence and to ask him whether he does not think the first site is the best.
I want to see this work undertaken at once.
I maintain that the first site is much more advantageous both for the present and the future, and extensions will probably be required in the course of time. Patronage probably had something to do with the selection of the new site. I am speaking with all the responsibility of a man who has the mandate of the electors of the county of Gloucester for the last fourteen or fifteen years when I say that the first site chosen is the more advantageous. The Minister of Marine and Fisheries knows I have as accurate information on this point as any of hie friends in Gloucester county. I would again urge the Minister of Public Works to take the resident engineer into his confidence, and to ask him whether the first site is not the more advantageous.
I wish to point out to the minister that there has been very strong representation made to the department in regard to the protection of the bank of the river at this point. The matter was under consideration of the department for a number of years and it has been also under the consideration of the city council. Has the minister anything in view at present except this very small amount in the Estimates'?
I do not recollect if there is any vote in the Supplementary Estimates, but I do recollect that during my visit to Edmonton I saw considerable reason why a certain amount of money should be expended for the protection of the bank of the river. I will give the matter consideration, because I appreciate the necessity of work being done at that point.
It is a very serious matter, and I think the position taken by the parties interested was that the parties owning the property immediately affected were prepared to urge that the city government become responsible for one-half of whatever expenditure would be required, on the understanding that the Dominion Government would be responsible for the other half. That was the position taken by the property owners in their recommendation
to the city council, but I cannot say what the view of the city council is. I can say that the matter is very urgent, and I am anxious that the Government should give it its best attention.