January 31, 1917


Mr. OLIVER J. WILCOX (North Essex) moved the second reading of Bill No. 2, to amend the Criminal Code. He said: The Bill, which I now propose to be read a second time, is intended to add a provision to sub-section 2 of section 235 of the Criminal Code, as enacted by chapter 19 of the statutes of 1912. This statute was passed in 1910 and assented to in 1912. The statute of 1910, or 1912, was intended to have dealt effectively with certain abuses that had developed throughout the country in connection with the extensive race meets held by various racing associations. The legislation as so passed has not proved effective. The racing men, or those who have been inclined to he speculative, have broken through this statute; if not by word, by action, they have declared it to be a scrap of paper. By digging up antediluvian charters and galvanizing them into life and by establishing different units in the same community, they are-now having a greater number of days' racing in a locality than they had previous to the legislation that was passed in 1910 and which was calculated to limit the evils of the race course. The object I had in introducing this Bill was to make clear the intention of this Parliament and as the result of the full and careful investigation which I have made into the subject I do not expect that it will prove to be contentious in character. In view of the fact that there are in the country certain men interested in the question, some of whom are interested in suppressing the operation of race tracks entirely and some who do not like the idea of any limitation whatever, I desire to go fully into an explanation of what I regard as the actual situation and the evils incident thereto in connection with these associations. The other day I read a very long article in the Toronto Globe by Mr. Raney, a very distinguished and honourable gentleman of the city of Toronto, written on behalf of the Social Reform Council of the Dominion of Canada. There is one statement that he made in connection with the legislation of 1910 with which I do not agree. He said that the reason why the Miller Bill, which sought to eliminate race track gambling throughout the Dominion, was not effective for the reason that Sir Allen Aylesworth, then Minister of Justice, opposed the Bill, and for the further reason that certain gentlemen high up in politics were interested in this institution, and men with strong financial means were backing them. It is my view that the Bill was considered on its merits. We all remember the late Mr. Miller, who introduced his Bill in the House in 1910. I think the House will agree that his presentation of the case was fraught with honour to' himself, with discretion and skill. Mir. Miller was responsible for the appointment of a commission by my right hon. friend the leader of the Opposition, then Prime Minister of Canada. I was present at the meetings that were held in Ottawa, which were attended by men from one end of the Dominion to the other, and men were even brought from the state of New York, at one time one of the greatest racing states in the Union. Mr. Hughes, a candidate in the recent Presidential election, succeeded in getting a law passed some time ago that made race track gambling a crime within the state of New York, and so important did he consider that legislation, that in hi3 campaign literature reference was made to it as one of the outstanding accomplishments of bis public life. These men that I have spoken of, representing the Racing Associations, the Horse Breeder's Associations, the Thoroughbred Associations, and the Social Reform Council of Canada, gathered together and gave evidence, and upon their evidence Parliament came to the conclusion that certain legislation should he passed to deal effectively with the situation. I repeat, that in view of the full and complete investigation, lasting for days and weeks, that Parliament made of this question, both in the House and in committee. Mr. Raney is hardly justified in insinuating that the men who composed Parliament at that time were actuated by any other motive than the consideration of the case on its merits-. The commission that my right hon. friend the leader of the Opposition, the Prime Minister, appointed at that time was composed of Mr. Miller, chairman, Mr. Blain, Mr. McCall, Mr. Martin, M.P. for Regina, now premier of Saskatchewan, Mr. Stratton, Mr. Sinclair, and Mr. Monk. Racing in Canada was organized, as I understand from my study of the subject, in the year 1860. Queen Victoria set aside a certain sum of money to purchase what was kn.own as the Queen's Cup. This trophy was given to encourage racing, with the idea of developing the breeding of thoroughbred horses in Canada. As I understand, previous to the year 1892, it was a



crime to make a bet on a race track; and when the Criminal Code was consolidated, there was added to it a provision calculated and intended to allow the registration of a bet or the selling of a pool on a race track. That legislation was subsequently tested in the courts, and the decision of the courts in connection with it is clearly set forth in these reports. Sir Allan Aylesworth, speaking to the House upon the debate on the MilleT Bill, and the provision which was inserted in that Bill and which was supposed to deal effectively with this evil, as it had developed in the country, made this reference to it: We have all heard of the ancient conundrum ''When is a dog's tail not a dog's tail?" With the answer: "When it is a waggin," It seems to me that this is something of the same sort: 'When is a place not a place?'' The definition is that the word "place" Is to Include any place, whether it is or is not a fixed place. Now to my mind, the word "place" necessarily implies and carries with it the idea of localization and of definite fixity. I cannot understand a place that is not a fixed place, and I cannot therefore think that the object which the framers of this Bill had in view, in endeavouring to get over the decision of the courts I have described, can be accomplished by any juggling with words or verbal trickery such as, it seems to me, with all respect to the draftsman of this Bill, the definition I have referred to, literally amounts to. It appears that the provision that was added to the Criminal Code of 1902 has been questioned in the courts, and that the courts had ruled that if the bookmaker in the selling of a pool or in the registration of a bet stood still or under an umbrella, then he was committing a crime; but if he was moving from place to place in the booth, he was not committing a crime, so that it would be clear that previous to the legislation passed by this Parliament in 1910, the registration of a bet, or the selling of a pool was really on the verge of criminality. As I am a layman so far as legal matters are concerned, and as my opinion might not be considered as very authoritative if I attempted to give a definition of the statute with regard to this subject. I desire to quote the opinion of the Hon. S. H. Blake, K.C., of Toronto, who, I think, will be regarded as a reasonable authority upon the construction of any statute. Speaking on the peculiarities of the statute as it had been construed by the highest courts in the land, because the case had gone to the Court of Appeal and from there to the Supreme Court ,of Canada, and the highest judges in the country had placed their construction upon the insertion of the particular clause to which I have alluded heretofore in the Criminal Code in the year 1902, the Hon. S. H. Blake thus added his TMr. Wilcox.1 voice to the chorus of church denunciation of the Woodbine race track at the afternoon session of the diocesan synod meeting: It will be seen by reference to section 235, sub-section 2, of the Criminal Code that some provision was supposed to have been made for betting- on and during the meet of a regularly organized and incorporated race track. This was taken advantage of until race track gambling became a public scandal, demoralizing in the extreme, until a case known as the Queen vs. Hanrahan, in which the Police Magistrate of Windsor convicted the defendant for keeping a common betting house. This case was taken to the Court of Appeal, where the conviction was unanimously sustained, the late Chief Justice Armour in his judgment, was very emphatic, holding as he did, that betting on any track, whether incorporated or otherwise, was an offence against the Criminal Code. The writer, acting in accordance with this judgment, brought the president of the Ontario Jockey Club into Court, where Colonel Denison convicted, giving a stated case, which was taken to the Court of Appeal, where the conviction was quashed, the court holding that as the president neither took part in the bookmaking nor profited thereby, a conviction could not be sustained against him. At the same time, one of the judges made a remark to the effect that the Crown should have proceeded against the bookmakers. At the next race track meet, evidence was secured and several bookmakers were brought into court, one of whom was selected as a test case. Colonel Denison again made a conviction, and this case was also taken to the Court of Appeal, where the conviction was sustained. It was then carried to the Supreme Court at Ottawa, and the judgment of the Court of Appeal was upheld, with one or two of the judges dissenting. This, however, did not put a stop to the gambling on the Woodbine race track, which was shown by a change of tactics in which the bookmakers stood on the lawn (and enclosures set apart for the bookmakers and their customers) and continued business as usual, the only difference being that they stood marking time instead of sitting. A case was brought into court and a conviction secured before Col. Denison, who, when passing sentence, stated that the. attempted subterfuge in order to evade the law (in his judgment) intensified the offence. This case was also taken to the Court of Appeal and quashed on the grounds that standing up and moving about whilst the business of betting was carried on did not constitute an offence, not being a house, room, or place. So it appears reasonably clear that, as 1 have said, previous to the legislation of 1910 on this subject the right to carry on race track betting or gambling had a very narrow margin indeed to stand on. After full consideration of the subject, I believe that the majority in this House based their judgment upon three considerations, which considerations in turn were based upon the expert testimony given before the commission to which I have referred. The first consideration, I think, was this-that horse-racing was necessary to the development of the thoroughbred horse, that it had the effect of developing his speed, stamina and character, and that, to the extent that thoroughbred blood was infused into the light horse of this country, to that extent the light horse of this country was improved. The second consideration, 1 think, was this-that a very large number of the best citizens of this Dominion held horse-racing as their real sport, and that Parliament should not go so far as to deprive them of the privilege of associating themselves to carry on a race track. The third point was this, that the evils which, it was admitted, had developed upon the race track were due to excessive race meets. The evidence of the detectives of New York, the evidence of the thoroughbred men of Canada-I mean the thoroughbred horse-breeders in Canada-and of all others interested, I think, supported that view. The evils that had developed in Victoria and Vancouver during the time of the Seattle exhibition were the consequences of the fact that there had been forty-two days' racing. To this was due the deplorable, demoralizing and degrading condition alluded to by Hon. Sydney Fisher, the late Minister of Agriculture, in his sworn testimony as published in the report of the commission, in which he stated that he would not like to find himself after dark with those who were connected with the racing on that occasion, in Victoria and Vancouver., I think this Parliament believed that the limitation of the days of racing would be the means of eliminating the very undesirable element which was complained of, and whose presence was regretted'by everybody, including the racing men themselves, as the cause of the demoralization attending this sport throughout the Dominion. It was pointed out that during the first days of a race meet in any community, the class of citizens to which I have alluded, the class that hold horse-racing as their real sport; predominates upon the track; but that in a few days their desires in that connection are gratified. Then, if the racing is allowed to continue day after day, week after week, and month after month, it resolves itself into a gambling institution pure and simple. The legislation passed in 1910, and rightly passed, was intended to limit the evil by limiting the race meets to seven days twice a year. Well, that legislation did not hold. I think the racing men ' put one over ' on Parliament, as they say. So I come to this House as a representative of a free constituency that has been outraged to ask that this evil may be remedied. Before the passing of the Act to which I have alluded, the Act of 1910, we had in the city of Windsor twenty days' racing in the spring, and nine in the fall. Public opinion was developing against it because this was regarded as excessive. The Miller Bill was passed and the number of days' racing limited to fourteen. From that day I never heard a single complaint from the people of the county of Essex regarding the operation of that one track and the fourteen days of racing. But certain speculators, mostly from the American side, to some of whom I shall probably refer at greater length before I close my remarks, have taken advantage of the situation. I am not going to find fault because of the law passed years ago under which certain charters were granted. There is no reason to find fault. Previous to 1900, when certain restrictive legislation was passed in the great racing states of New York and Michigan, we in Canada did not suffer from the abuses which have since arisen. It is not to be wondered at that our statute made it very easy for men to secure race track charters in Canada. But the limitations placed upon race track operations by the great states of New York and Michigan led to the whole institution being imported bodily into the province of Ontario and that is the cause of the difficulty to-day in Canadian racing. Years ago, as I understand-and again I want to say that I am not a lawyer


LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

You ought to have been.

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CON

Oliver James Wilcox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILCOX:

-any man could apply

to the Secretary of State, and by letters patent, obtain a race track charter in Canada. That was previous to the ligislaticn that was passed in 1910, which provided that in future no race track charters should be granted in that way, but only by special Act of this Parliament. I venture to assert that not a man who sat in this House at that time ever thought of the existence of these old charters. But that legis'ation had this effect; it at once placed a value upon those old charters, and in some cases they are asking to-day as high as $50,000 for one of them, because Parliament made it absolutely impossible for any new charters to be granted. Therefore, the owners of one of these charters could go to a good racing print like the city of Windsor, with 827,000 people across the line in Detroit eight Hours or ten hours from Chicago, six hours from Buffalo, five hours from Toledo, and six or

seven hours from Cleveland, and dispose of such a charter at a great profit. Situated as we are in close relation to the cities I have mentioned, we cah have races with 6,000,

8,000, 9,000 and 10,000 people every day, in the summer, and we do have as many people there as 20,000 on some occasions. It is that evil, that excess, that abuse which I am asking this Parliament to remedy under the provisions of the Bill which I have introduced. '

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

Is racing forbidden by the laws of Michigan? v

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CON

Oliver James Wilcox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILCOX:

Yes.

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Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

Absolutely prohibited?

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CON

Oliver James Wilcox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILCOX:

Yes. Racing is prevented by the laws of Michigan and New York. They do bet, but it is not within the law. Therefore the fact that the law makes it an offence to bet in Michigan, is a restraint upon those running races within the confines of their own state.

When I introduced this Bill in the House the other day, I was attacked through the press by a Mr. Francis Nelson, who is the sporting editor of the Toronto Globe. I think I have met Mr. Nelson once or twice, and from all I know of him he is a courteous, kind gentleman, but he has not been fair to me in the columns of his paper. I want to say to this House that he is a servant of the Racing Association, and that the insinuations and the aspersions which he has cast are not fair to me. I desire to allude to them this afternoon. I'happened to make reference to the fact that the interests involved in this excess racing were per- . meated by American influences. Well, Sir,

I do not think that it was an offence to say that. But in the columns of his paper, Mr. Nelson at once set up the argument that I did not complain about all these business men of Detroit who come over to the city of Windsor and invest their money in my constituency. No, we do not complain of that, and we have no criticism to offer of the great body politic of the United1 States, the great open-hearted, free, patriotic public of the United States. When I used the term American, I had reference to that particular class of people whom many of the states in the Union have seen fit to legislate out of existence in the confines of their own state; and I absolutely refuse to have my constituency made a refuge for the surplus of that class of the population of the United States.

I want to make some reference to some of those gentlemen. There is a race track at Fort Erie. There are three race tracks at Windsor. There is a fourth application now filed with the Treasury Department at Toronto. A fifth one, I under-4 p.m. stand, is being organized. Three race tracks gave us last year forty-two days racing. Four will give us fifty-six days racing and five, if they are established, will give us seventy days. Will anybody say in this House, in view of the decision which Parliament came to in 1910, that I am not justified in coming to the members of this House and asking their support of this Bill which will establish clearly and distinctly what Parliament meant by its legislation of 1910? With further reference to that term " American influence " I want to make myself absolutely clear on that point, because in the city of Windsor and in the town of Walkerville and in the town of Ojibway, which will In the future be the great industrial centre of Ontario, we have prominent Americans and we welcome them; but let us see some of the men who are connected with this Racing Association-and I am fully alive to the fact that we have prominent Canadians connected with this association, men who are high in social circles and business circles and are the cream of society. I know it, and against them I have not a word to say. But I want to place my complaint clearly before the House this afternoon. And I do not desire to use my own words; I desire to quote from the official records and the sworn testimony given at commissions that have been held in Ottawa and in Washington.

We have connected with the Fort Erie race track, Mr. Madigan, who is the president. I must quote some evidence in regard to that, because the statement might be disputed. On page 273 of the report of the special committee on Bill No. 6, relating to Race Track Gambling, I find that Mr. E. T. Malone was called and examined. Mr. Malone was the solicitor, and he came to Ottawa to give evidence. The following is his statement:

Mr. Malone.-I have a telegram from Mr. Madigan authorizing me to appear as solicitor for the' association, also a telegram from Dr. Bruso, Buffalo, stating that Mr. Madigan is confined to his room with acute bronchitis and he has advised him to return south when he is able to travel. I am solicitor of the association which took out its charter under the Ontario Companies Act on the 27th day of April, 1906.

We were endeavouring to get some of the parties connected with these associations to Ottawa, in order to obtain some evidence as do their connection with American race tracks, and otherwise. With regard to the Windsor track, the following telegram appears in the report of the special committee on Bill No. 6, at page 290:

Mr. Raney.-Then I think there is a statement due from Mr. Counsell as to the books and statements that were asked for from the Windsor Association.

Mr Counsell.-The only statement X have to make is contained in the telegram that I received last night from Windsor, it is to the following effect:

Chief Wills sick, Magistrate Leggatt left last night, bookkeeper for Windsor Racing Association died recently, his successor ill with typhoid fever. Knows nothing regarding the books. Geo. M. Hendrie1 in the south, ordered there by his physician, present address unknown.

It would appear on the face of it to be a rather unhealthy organization. 1 wish to say in fairness that I recognize that the Windsor Driving Park Association has a large number of Canadians interested in it. I also recognize that the other tracks to which I have alluded have Canadians interested in them. But I do say that at the bottom, in and through them, they are *connected with associations that operate south of the line, as far away as Mexico, and that in the summer they come to the southern part of Ontario. Who are some of these men? On page 9, I find that an application was made to the district attorney of Brooklyn, who had a very full and complete knowledge of the operations of race tracks in New York state, to give evidence, from which I shall give a few extracts with reference to the Windsor Racing Association, and to some of the men who were prominent in it, and also as to their operations in the United States. The district attorney of Brooklyn had this to say with reference to Samuel Wagner, familiarly known as Sam Wagner, a noted owner of gambling houses in Chicago and other cities in the United States, and one who was for several years the principal owner of the race track at Windsor:

When the prosecuting attorney for Wayne county, Michigan, started after the race track gamblers, the Highland Park Club, which had conducted racing at Highland Park, about seven miles north of Detroit, leased the Windsor track and the races at Windsor are now run under the control of the Highland Park Club. According to the records of the county clerk's office, Wayne county, the Highland Park Club was incorporated in 1897, under the laws of Michigan. George M. Hendrie, of Detroit, is the president and Walter O. Parmer, of Nashville, is the secretary.

With regard to Fort Erie, the district attorney's report has this reference:

The racing club is practically controlled by John H. Madigan, the Texan. Madigan has a reputation all over the country as a fighter of game-cocks, and is in the habit of wagering thousands of dollars upon the outcome of one of these contests. He is simply a gambler and on the race track Is a plunger. Dan. J. Stuart, whose name appears in the annual returns of the association to the Ontario Government as a director of the association, was the man who staged the fight between Corbett and Fitzsimmons.

That is a sample. There was an investigation held at Washington, at which some very interesting evidence was given as to the operations of this institution. At Washington, on December 14, 1909, before a sub-committee of the Judiciary of the United States Senate on Bill 225, "To prevent the nullification of State antigambling laws by international or interstate transmission of race-gambling bets or racing odds," Mr. Henry Brolaski, an experienced racing man, gave evidence. He said:

Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen of the Committee.-In answer to the inquiry of Senator Nelson, I will state in a moment what bookmaking is. I will preface my remarks by stating that I reside at Monrovia, Cal., 18 miles from Los Angeles. I am engaged in the real estate business, being associated with the "Home Builders'' at 129 South Broadway, Los Angeles, Cal. Prior to entering that business, I was for twenty-one years a gambler, pool-room proprietor, bookmaker upon race tracks, and a handbook maker. I have booked in St. Louis, Chicago, Worth, Roby, Atlanta, Charleston, New Orleans, San Francisco, Oakland, Los Angeles, Latonia, Louisville and Benning."

Senator Nelson.-You might tell us a little more fully what a pool room is?

Mr. Brolaski.-A pool room is a place where 20 or 30 or more people congregate in an afternoon to bet on horse races run on race tracks at a distance, the news being sent from the tracks to the pool room by telegraph.

The pool foom service is handled by an information bureau known as the Interstate News Company in the East, which leases wires from fhe Western Union Telegraph Company. Over .these wires they send the names of the Jockeys and scratches (meaning horses not to start this day), and then the betting and the official description of the race. The pool room allows from twenty to thirty minutes between races for their patrons to gamble.

It costs these pool rooms for this service ?22 per day for each set of races that they may take. At present they are racing at Jacksonville and Tampa, Fla., Oakland, Cal., and Juarez, Mexico, 1J miles from the International boundary line.

Senator Burkett: Please tell the committee

where the race tracks are.

I made the statement that they were affiliated with these tracks down there and

Buffalo press or the pari-mutuel operations in charge from the other side.

On July 18, 1916, Mr. W. D. Sqott writes the following letter to Mr. G. Seebach, Inspector in charge of Immigration, Bridge-buTg, 0

iSir,-As you are probably aware, the department has met with considerable trouble in the matter of the employment on race tracks of Americans imported for the occasion to the detriment of Canadians.

Inspector J. C. Mitchell has been following up the case lately and finds that in many cases (particularly at Fort Erie) the management of the race track claim that as the patronage comes largely from Buffalo, they are obliged to employ American ticket sellers, cashiers and clickers; some of the help admitted is German-American and pro-German in sympathy.

I think the time has come that we should no longer be dictated to by the Buffalo press or the management of these race tracks, and you may, therefore, enforce the immigration regulations in the strictest possible way as regards race track employees. The character of the men and the nature of the employment is not of the best, and if everything else fails you may invoke section 3 s.s. (g), especially when you know that there are qualified Canadians available for the work.

Your obedient servant,

(Sgd.) W. D. Scott, Superintendent of Immigration.

Immigration Branch,

Department of the Interior, Canada.

Toronto, Ont., August 4, 1916.

Sir,-I beg to advise you that I am going to the Fort Erie race tracks to-night, as the parimutuel operators have not received any word of their appointment from the Niagara Racing Association. They are, apparently, doing as at last meet, not replying to applications, probably hoping that these men will not show up on the track to-morrow. They are all going to be there.

I met Mr. Madigan at the Windsor meet and told him that where men were qualified to work on other tracks they would have to be given the same positions at Fort Erie. He still persists in claiming his right to place them wherever he sees fit, no matter what positions they have held on other tracks. As you may know the class of man he is, I have pointed out to him how he had made a returned soldier work as a clicker at the last meet, who has held the position as cashier at practically all the other tracks. Since his return from the front he has been a cashier at the Woodbine, both Hamilton meets, and at Windsor. He told me that he did not care about soldiers. I think a man of this stamp does not deserve any consideration. Your obedient servant,

(Sgd.) Jas. C. Mitchell, Inspector of Employment Agencies. W. D. Scott, Esq.,

Supt. of Immigration,

Ottawa, Ont.

I! there is no objection, I have a few mere letters that I would like to be permitted to file without reading:

Immigration Branch,

Department of the Interior, Canada.

Toronto, Ont., July 7, 1916.

Sir,-There is some dissatisfaction owing to three Canadians, Messrs. Lawrence, Quinn and Canning, having been put on as clickers, while I am satisfied that they are competent ticket sellers and cashiers, having worked on other tracks in Canada. Mr. Martin would not say these men were not competent ticket sellers and cashiers. His contention is that he has given all Canadians work, and he has the right to. say what work he may put them at. It looks very much like discriminating against the Canadians, giving the Americans the positions at twelve dollars per day, and these three Canadians positions at five dollars per day, especially while some of these Americans are German-Ameri-cans. Mr. Lawrence is a returned soldier from the front, and quite naturally feels hurt.

Mr. Madigan says he is a Canadian. He told me that he prefers Canadians, but that so much of his patronage comes from across the river that he has to employ some Americans. I am quite satisfied that the management of this track is purely American, as their office is at Ellicott square, Buffalo, N.Y. As for Mr. Madigan claiming that he is a Canadian, it does not look very well when he will allow a German-American to be given preference over a Canadian soldier who has returned from the front.

I may state that the Canadians are very grateful to the department for the action they have taken in seeing that they were given positions on the Canadian race tracks. One of the Canadians was taken in to the office on Tuesday and accused of being the secretary who was responsible for bringing this matter to the attention of the department.

Mr. Martin complained yesterday that one of the Canadians was impertinent to one of his men, and as there is a good deal of feeling over this matter, I have decided to visit Fort Erie until the close of the races to see that no Canadian is unjustly treated.

Your obedient servant,

(Sgd.) Jas. C. Mitchell, Inspector of Employment Agencies. W. D. Scott, Esq.,

Supt. of Immigration,

Ottawa, Ont.

Immigration Branch,

Department of the Interior, Canada.

Toronto, Ont., July 24, 1916.

Sir,-I am informed that Mr. Smith, an American, is a very large stockholder in the Hamilton track, and that Sam Spencer, who is known as the New York Jew on the race track, and who caused the trouble on the Dorval track, where the Canadians were refused work in the first place, is Smith's representative. He was around the Hamilton race track at the last meet. I made inquiries and they always claimed % that he was not employed there, although he was in and out of the pari-mutual offices all the time and paid the men off the last day of the meet, and my impression is that he may have had something to do in offering some of the Canadians inferior jobs. Smith was in the Hamilton Jockey Club office to-day, and I was told by one of the operators, who was one of the outside officers, that Smith was going over the lists to-day.

I shall be in Hamilton on Wednesday at the opening of the meet, and will endeavour to see that these Canadians are not discriminated against, and, if necessary, I will examine the Americans as to their entry into Canada. I think the Hamilton Jockey Club has had fair warning.

I am enclosing herewith a copy of the notice sent out to the Americans.

Your obedient servant,

(Sgd.) Jas. C. Mitchell, Inspector of Employment Agencies.

August 18, 1916.

Sir,-Mr. J. C. Mitchell, an officer of this department, is attending the Windsor Jockey Club meeting. Mr. Mitchell has been instructed to furnish the department with a full report in the matter of all aliens employed by your association, I shall be glad if you will kindly furnish this officer with a list showing the names and nationalities of all employees in your pari-mutual department. Mr. Mitchell will call upon you and obtain the above list.

Your obedient servant,

(Sgd.) W. D. Scott. Superintendent of Immigration. George M. Hendrie, Esq.,

Windsor Jockey Club,

Windsor, Ont.

Immigration Branch,

Department of the Interior, Canada.

Windsor, Ont., August 16, 1916. Sir,-I wish you would advise George M. Hendrie of the Windsor Jockey Club, as soon as possible, to supply me with a list of all the employees employed in the pari-mutual department in order that I may check the same up to see how many Americans are actually employed. The other racing associations have supplied me with this list and I do not see why any exception should be made in this case. ' You might also advise me what action you desire taken in the Garland case, sending same in care of Immigration Office at Windsor.

Your obedient servant,

(Sgd.) Jas. C. Mitchell, Inspector of Employment Agencies.

W. D. Scott, Esq.,

Superintendent of Immigration,

Ottawa, Ont.

Department of the Interior,

Canada.

Ottawa, August 29, 1916.

Sir,-There were approximately employed at the Windsor track at this meet sixty-three Americans and seventy-four Canadians in the better positions, made up as follows:

Cashiers-18 Americans, 34 Canadians.

In money room-12 Americans, 4 Canadians. Ticket sellers-19 Americans, 18 Canadians. Calculators-4 Americans, 2 Canadians.

In ticket room-4 Americans.

To change money-1 American, 3 Canadians. Ticket checkers-2 Americans, 1 Canadian. Messengers-2 Americans, 3 Canadians. Blackboard man-American.

Field board man-Canadian.

Machinists to look after pari-mutuels_2 Canadians.

Telephone man-American.

Miscellaneous-3 Canadians.

Clickers-6 Americans, 31 Canadians. (There were Canadian clickers refused positions.) Your obedient servant,

(Sgd.) Jas. C. Mitchell,

Inspector of Agencies.

W. D. Scott, Esq.,

Superintendent of Immigration,

Ottawa, Ont.

Department of the Interior,

Canada.

Ottawa, August 29, 1916.

Sir,-In reply to the letter of the Windsor Jockey Club in reference to myself, I may state that at the first meet this year I was promised the list of the employees on the pari-mutuels, but was refused at the last moment, only given the number of Americans and Canadians employed in the different departments.

On the first day of the second meet I spoke to Mr. George M. Hendrie, the president, in regard to the list, and the only satisfaction I got was he said he would see. I wrote the department and under date of August 18, Mr. Hendrie was notified to furnish me with the list. I did not receive this list until the 22nd, the second last day of the meet, and it only stated that the men were American or Canadian and did not give the permanent residence of the Americans. I had most of these men's permanent addresses and I checked the list over and secured from Mr. Elrod, who was in charge of the pari-mutuels, the number of the wicket that the different men were working at whose permanent address in the United States I did not have. I took every care not to disturb these few men when they were busy. I found a number of these had entered Canada without inspection, but it being the second last day of the meet I .did not disturb them.

I might say that there were six American clickers employed at the last meet from different parts of the United States-one from Washington,-and that Canadians were refused. I was unaware of this state of affairs through Mr. Hendrie not complying with my request to furnish me with a list on the first day, and I only discovered on receipt of the list that these American clickers were on.

I must take strong objection to Mr. Hendrie's statement that the Canadians who are complaining are incompetent and undesirable, and it is very unbecoming in the President of the Windsor Jockey Club to insult the Canadian people in such a manner, as they are more than equal to some of the Americans he employs on his track.

Your obedient servant,

(Sgd.) Jas. C. Mitchell, Inspector of Employment Agencies. W. D. Scott, Esq.,

Superintendent of Immigration,

Ottawa.

In conclusion, I ask that the Bill be given the second reading and be permitted to go to committee for consideration.

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William Barton Northrup

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. B. NORTHRUP (East Hastings):

Mr. Speaker, While, I am sure every member of the House has listened with interest, pleasure and profit to the histocial review of racing given by my hon. friend (Mr. Wilcox), I am equally sure that on consideration of the Bill, it will be found that

it is unfortunately lacking in the machinery which would make it practical and usefully operative. Take the very case spoken of by imy horn, friend in his own constituency where five race tracks are to be operated under recently resurrected charters. I think every member of the House feels that something should be done in regard to the matter; hut all this Bill says is that only fourteen days should be given *to racing in that constituency. Who is to decide which race track is to have the fourteen days racing? My hon. friend says that the provincial secretary in issuing the license for the year can do so. What right has this House to impose that duty upon the provincial secretary or what right has it' to assume that he will undertake to perform that duty? If this Bill passes, will not these apparency somewhat unscrupulous racing men from the United States perhaps obtain an advantage in this country at the Woodbine Jockey Club or at the Blue Bonnets meet in Montreal, race tracks conducted in such a way that no one can take offence at the meets held there. If only fourteen days were allowed to Montreal or Toronto, one of the organizations on the other side might snap up the fourteen days and the Woodbine or the Blue Bonnets might have no opportunity of furnishing the pleasure which these race tracks furnish. I think, therefore, in view of the statements made by the hon. gentleman as to the serious injury that is being done to his constiituecny, and in view of the lack of machinery in the Bill to carry out any of its provisions, it would be advisable that the Bill be read the second time, and, after the return of the Minister of Justice, it be referred to a committee of this House.

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William Manley German

Liberal

Mr. W. M. GERMAN (Welland):

Mr. Speaker, to supplement what the hon. member for East Hastings (Mr. Northrup) has said, I think that not only would the amendment, if passed, destroy that class of what we might call legitimate racing at Montreal and Toronto, but hon. gentlemen will remember that this section states that if two race courses are in existence within fifty miles of each other, then fourteen days' racing must he divided among the two. It so happens that Toronto and Hamilton are within fifty miles of each other, and if this amendment should pass, Toronto and Hamilton could have only fourteen days between them. Who would decide as to who should have the fourteen days? The hon. member for Essex (Mr. Wilcox) says

that he would leave it to the provincial treasurer; that the provincial government can deal with the matter at present. The whole trouble which has arisen is the very weak manner in which this law has been administered by the provincial government, which has allowed defunct charters to be revived for the purpose of establishing race tracks around Windsor, which charters should never have been revived, and which the provincial government should not have allowed to be revived, because it knew that those charters were being revived practically for the purpose of evading the law. The provincial government has at present the power to license race tracks, and no race track can operate in the province of Ontario or anywhere without a license from the provincial government. If there are more race tracks in operation in and around Windsor than the hon. member for North Essex thinks is good for the community, or than he thinks should exist there, then his remedy is to appeal to the provincial government to hereafter cease granting licenses to those various race tracks, and he will then have only one instead of four.

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Oliver James Wilcox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILCOX:

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Oliver James Wilcox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILCOX:

But they aTe there.

Mr. GERMAN. Then they are there only by grace of the Ontario government because the Ontario government is deriving the revenue. If that government wished to pay the expenses of the province from gambling revenues, they could start a Kentucky lottery; they could establish another Monte Carlo. But, I apprehend, the Government of Ontario does not choose to derive a revenue from race tracks, they simply wish to Tegulate the race tracks, and to isee that no more race tracks are in operation than should be carried .on for the general good of the public. Then, it is up to the Ontario government to regulate these race tracks and prevent the conditions in and about Windsor which now exist and which, I agree with my hon. friend (Mr. Wilcox), are a disgrace to that section of the country as well as to the provincial government.

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Oliver James Wilcox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILCOX:

Would it not he as reasonable, and as logical, to insert a proviso into the Act to limit the number of race tracks in Canada, and to limit the number of days' racing in any county to fourteen, as it was in 1910, to limit the meets on a race track to two of seven days each in a year?

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William Manley German

Liberal

Mr. GERMAN:

I should say, most emphatically, no. Companies, properly and legally incorporated, have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in establishing magnificent race tracks under the law as it stands, such as 'the Woodbine, the Hamilton, the Fort Erie, the Highland Park, the Blue Bonnets, and the Dor-val tracks. Why destroy that property for the sake of the gambling element which, as my hon, friend has suggested, comes from the United States to establish what we might call outlaw tracks? I believe that seventy-five per cent of the people of Canada desire to see such tracks as those I have named, continue in existence. I think it would be better to cut out the illegitimate tracks that my hon. friend is proposing to regulate by this Bill, especially as it seems to me that his Bill will not attain the end he contemplates, while it will destroy the property already in existence.

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Oliver James Wilcox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILCOX:

I have no desire that my Bill should in the slightest degree

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Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. Unless the hon. gentleman (Mr. Wilcox) is exercising his right to conclude the debate, he cannot speak again. .

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Oliver James Wilcox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILCOX:

I shall have another

opportunity.

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Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

It would appear from what the bon, member for North Essex (Mr. Wilcox) has said, that a result has come about which was not contemplated by Parliament when the Acts of 1910 and 1912 were passed. As I understand 'him, some racing interests have executed what might be termed a flank movement 'against the intention expressed by Parliament in those statutes. It seems to me that a remedy is desirable, and even necessary. On the other hand I share the doubt of the hon. member for East Hastings (Mr. Northrup) as to whether the Bill in its. present form could be given practical effect. I regret that the Minister of Justice (Mr. Doherty) is prevented by illness: from being in his place to-day, because he is much more familiar with the legislation and the conditions to which it relates than I 'am. It might, however, be worth while to point out thait the Act of 1912 contains the following:

And provided that no such association holds, and that on any one race track there be not held, in any one calendar year more than two race-meetings at which there are running races and that there is an interval of at least twenty days between meetings.

There are certain otheT provisions of that section to which I need not now call attention. My hon. friend from Essex proposes to amend that section by adding:

Provided that where there is more than one race course in any city, town or county, or where there are two or more race courses less -than fifty miles apart, the race meetings on all the race courses, in such city, town or county, or on all the race courses within fifty miles of one another, shall not exceed in number or in duration the limit prescribed in the above provisions for one race course or race track.

The hon. member foT Welland (Mr. German) has pointed out that the conditions with regard to the race tracks at Toronto, Hamilton, and elsewhere, to which the Bill under consideration does not seem to be directed, would be interfered with by the amendment as proposed. The hon, member for East Hastings also points out that the Bill does not constitute any authority which shall determine in what proportion the time suggested by the Bill shall

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William Erskine Knowles

Liberal

Mr. W. E. KNOWLES (Moosejaw):

Mr. Speaker, I was one of those who did not support the former Bill as presented by the late Mr. Miller, and I opposed it for reasons which seemed good to me at that time. My position now is that of supporting the principle of the Bill introduced by the hon. gentleman from North Essex (Mr. Wilcox), and my reason for doing so is that I think anything which tends to curtail and reduce the magnitude of this racing habit while the war is on, is something that deserves our commendation. I would go further, and be in favour of legislation which would do away with all these race meets while the war is raging. The sight which is presented to the country of 5,000 to 20,000 people, men and women, some of the women dressed mostly in men's clothes and the rest dressed like dolls, spending all the money they can succeed in wasting, shouting and hurrahing and waiting in breathless interest for the conclusion of a horse race, while the soldiers are making their race for life, taking perhaps a year to go a few metres or at most a kilometre or two, seems to me a spectacle such as is not to the credit of the country or such as the people of the country desire to see in any way encouraged. I am quite aware that there are large sums of money invested in a financial way in these institutions, and one has to be careful of the results which might, be effected. If it were necessary, I

would rather be a party to voting a reasonable Bill for a system of compensation to these people to keep ruin away from their doors, because that would be a thousand times cheaper to the nation in the end than to continue this menace of race meetings that we know now exists. Personally I do not live in a part of the country where they have these race meets; but that has nothing to do with the merits of the argument one way or the other, and I think the wishes of the people we represent would not he misinterpreted if the Prime Minister and the Minister of Justice were to take into their very careful consideration the advisability of introducing legislation to suspend all such race meetings while the war is on. I think the moral effect upon the men whom we might wish to reach in the way of recruiting is bad. I think that the waste of all this money is not conducive to the best organization of our young nation at this juncture; and I support the principle of the Bill because it goes a small direction in the way of reducing what I think is an undesirable state of affairs. I should be glad if the Government could go even further, and suspend all such race meetings throughout Canada during the continuance of the war.

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Oliver James Wilcox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILCOX:

I very gladly accept the suggestion of the hon. member for Hastings (Mr. Northrup), and I agree with the Prime Minister in regard to it.

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January 31, 1917