June 18, 1917

LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I beg pardon, it does not. It says that two irresponsible appointees-

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

Irresponsible !

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Irresponsible, not responsible to any one-shall say that Smith shall go and Jones shall stay, without any reason whatever, except their own sweet will.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

To whom should they be responsible?

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I am not drafting the

Bill. I am saying that this Bill says this

and that, this is the provision of the Bill that this Government has brought down, and asks this House to vote for. Now, 1 am a conscriptionist; I believe in universal military service; but I believe in universal military service on a fair basis, and I do not believe in a Bill that makes provision that Brown shall go and Smith shall stay and does not suggest, even in the remotest degree, why Brown should go and Smith should stay.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I really did say, in introducing the Bill and again to-day, that we would be very glad to have suggestions which would improve the Bill. If my hon. friend is so strongly opposed to the provision which we have suggested, would he be good enough to give us the benefit of his suggestion as to what the provision should he?

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Really I do not appreciate that as being my function.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, oh.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

That is the business of

the Government of this country. They have brought down a Bill, they are challenging public opinion upon it; they have a right to do so. My business in this House is to show how and where this measure falls short of being in the best interests of the country, if in my judgment it does so fall short. Having done that, I have discharged my responsibility.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

Oh.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

And I again point out that this Government has brought forward a measure here, under the pretense that it is a. measure that shall he a fair measure of conscription, and it is a measure that does not contain within its four corners the first element of fairness in the matter of conscription.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

What would be fair?

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I am saying to the Prime Minister that that is hie business.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh,

9 p.m. oh.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

It is the business of the Prime Minister to bring in a measure that will be fair, and let me suggest to the Prime Minister and his friends that this is a responsibility resting upon their shoulders just as the administration of Canada's affairs in this war have rested on their shoulders, and I think they are

under a great mistake if they think that that responsibility is one thaf can be treated with levity.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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CON

John Hampden Burnham

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BURNHAM:

If the hon. gentleman does not feel that he owes any duty to this Government, does he not owe a duty to the country to make suggestions?

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I do.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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CON

John Hampden Burnham

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BURNHAM:

Why not make them?

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I aim discharging my duty to the country according to my best judgment. Let me show how this provision will work out. In the part of the country where I live, where we have sent more men to the war in proportion to population than have been sent from any other part of the Dominion of Canada, where the men on homesteads, on the side lines, on the back streets, have gone in their thousands, and every day brings out its toll of casualties, carrying death and wounds into every side line and into, almost every house and cottage-we knew something of war in that part of the country, anid when you talk of conscription we want to know what it means. We have been led- to believe that a conscription measure would be fair to the country, and as we have done our duty, in a measure, so it would compel the people in other parts of the country to do their duty.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Sub-subtopic:   THE SECOND READING OF THE BILL MOVED.
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June 18, 1917