July 18, 1917

LIB

George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

I think they lift the passes in order to avoid arousing the passengers when a new conductor comes on.

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LIB

George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

They make an Arrangement between themselves by which conductor No. 1 hands the transportation on to conductor No-. 2, so that the new conductor does not disturb the passengers.

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CON

Francis Cochrane (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE:

They do it for your

comfort. It is the 'fault absolutely of the new conductor if you do not get back your pass. The object of taking the pass is to make it unnecessary to arouse the passenger from his sleep.

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LIB

Edward Walter Nesbitt

Liberal

Mr. NESBITT:

There is only one road

in Canada that insists on taking up your card when you go to bed at night.

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CON

Francis Cochrane (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE:

There is not a road

that does not do it.

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Edward Walter Nesbitt

Liberal

Mr. NESBITT:

There is only one road

that does it-the Canadian Northern. Every other conductor takes the number of your pass and hands it -back. That is the way they do on the Canadian Pacific and the Grand Trunk everywhere in Canada. The Canadian Northern only have coloured men on their cars and they insist on taking up your card, It is absurd. They could take your number just as well as they do on the trains of other companies. The Canadian Northern ought to correct their instructions because they are a nuisance. They are liable to leave you in the lurch in the morning and not give you back your card because the porter is off duty and some other fellow is in his place. While this includes the Clerk of the House of Commons, it does not include the assistant clerk. I see no reason why it should not.

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CON

Joseph Hormisdas Rainville (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Rainville):

It

does not include the Clerk.

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CON

Joseph Hormisdas Rainville (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN:

They should be included.

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Edward Walter Nesbitt

Liberal

Mr. NESBITT:

I should think that the

Clerk of the House of Commons and his assistants might be included.

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CON

Francis Cochrane (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE:

It has. never been done;

I do not object to doing it.

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LIB

Edward Walter Nesbitt

Liberal

Mr. NESBITT:

I do not see why they

should not be included, Mr. Minister. Will you make a note of that?

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CON
LIB

George Ewan McCraney

Liberal

Mr. McCRANEY:

Will the minister hold up this clause? I do not want to be unreasonable with the officials on the trains or to say that because a man says, he is a member of Parliament he should be allowed to travel free. My hon. friend from Dauphin (Mr. Cruise) claims that the porter on the train holds the transportation of a member of Parliament, and if the member gets on another train without his card, under this section he has no. redress. I think that ought to be changed.

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LIB

John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

I have no sympathy

with the position of my hon. friend from Saskatoon (Mr. McCraney). I think a member ought to carry his pass in his pocket, and if he is too careless to keep it in his pocket he should pay. If he does not get it back it will not do very much harm. It would be a very good thing if he did pay something to. the railways now and then. I do not see any reason why this section should not be adopted.

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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

I remember that the late Mr. Bergeron, then member for Beauhar-nois, raised this question before the opening of the doors because it was a question of privilege and he wanted it discussed before tne galleries were occupied. He made the suggestion that there should be one card issued to the members for the whole of Canada so that members would not have to carry about twenty-five or thirty different passes, and the suggestion was accepted by the late Mr.. Blair, then Minister of Railways. I think it is only reasonable that a member should carry his one rass; in the old days a member had to carry a whole pack of cards.

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LIB

Robert Cruise

Liberal

Mr. CRUISE:

I would like to know

whether the railway conductor has a right to lift transportation or not.

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CON

Francis Cochrane (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE:

I do not think he has a right to do it. He only does it for your comfort. If the conductor changes in the night it saves you from being awakened.

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LIB

Robert Cruise

Liberal

Mr. CRUISE:

There is something wrong about the situation. They have a habit of lifting my transportation and not giving it back. On the train from Dau'phin to Winnipeg there is only a porter, and there is no change of porters during the trip.

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July 18, 1917