August 4, 1917

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Robert Rogers (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROGERS:

No. Last year our vote was only $42,000 and we did not spend all of it. We have increased it this year by $5,000 by reason of the increased number of buildings which are necessary to house the increased staff, especially of the Militia Department, and probably that amount will be short. The deputy put in the extra $5,000 with the object of taking care of the requirements during the coming year.

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Robert Rogers (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROGERS:

I am afraid I have not the number of buildings but we will look it up before we rise.

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Robert Rogers (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROGERS:

Yes.

Dominion public buildings-Kents, $700,000.

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William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

This is a very big item. Will the minister tell us how much is paid for the rents of the buildings in Ottawa and how much throughout the Dominion?

Mr. ROGERS-: This amount is required for buildings leased for the various departments in all parts of the Dominion including all phones, municipal rates, etc., the whole in accordance with an estimate submitted by the chief architect. The approximate amount required for rent of buildings-and the charge for phones is included in the rents for buildings outside of Ottawa under our form of book-keeping- is as follows: in Nova Scotia, $13,000; in New Brunswick, $511; in Prince Edward Island, $176; in Quebec, $37,000. In Ottawa we pay $452,000.

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Mr PUGSLEY:

Gould ithe minister furnish a statement showing the different buildings rented in Ottawa and the rental paid for each .building, and the same information for each city in Canada.

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Robert Rogers (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROGERS:

I have such a statement here, but it is very long. If is very complete and gives the rents in all cities. Perhaps it could foe inserted in Hansard.

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Alexander Kenneth Maclean

Liberal

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

Does the statement show that in some cases part of the building is rented to one firm and part to another?

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William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

The rentals paid in Ottawa strike me as very large, indeed, $452,-

000. Thus, in addition to the buildings owned by the Government, including the buildings expropriated in the neighbourhood of Vitoria street, many of which are available for occupation by the Government, nearly half a million dollars is being paid. The minister has been going some since he came into office. There has been an extraordinary increase since the change of Government. When I was minister I was criticised very severely by hon. gentlemen opposite, wiho seemed to take a real, lively interest in the affairs of the country. The hon, member for Souris (Mr. Schaff-ner) used to foe concerned over the rents which were 'being paid out.

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William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

pretty handsome interest on the total cost of the building, not only on the part used by the department but also on what is used for the carrying on of a very large commercial business. I refer to the Rea building, to which a story was added some time ago. The two upper stories, the additional story and the one below it, were rented to the Government for $43,000.

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Alexander Kenneth Maclean

Liberal

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

I have been informed that the Government was paying $2,000 per year rental for the building on Argyle avenue occupied as a restaurant.

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Robert Rogers (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROGERS:

The owner pays the taxes. Our rentals are all figured out by the officers of the department, and we pay on the basis of six per cent of the actual cost of the building. A very careful examination was made of the Rea building, and we are paying only six per cent on the actual cost of that portion of the building we use. My hon. friend was in error when he said we only used two stories and that we had one department. We use three stories and there are departments, Marine and Fisheries and the Naval Department.

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August 4, 1917