August 11, 1917

LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

There is no limitation

at all. If a man in the city of Ottawa for instance wants to send over to Hull and get a case of whisky-

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

Is there anything in this law to prohibit him from doing it? As long as he wants it for his own use?

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CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG:

The statement I have already placed on Hansard entirely bears out the argument I have made.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

Then, there is nothing

to prevent the importation of liquor from Quebec into Ontario so long as a man ie going to consume it himself.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. B. BENNETT:

So long as the

province does not prohibit it.

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CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG:

I am inclined

to say the provinces are hardly dealing fairly with the Dominion on this question. They have absolute power to forbid the sale and use of liquor, and they can stop that liquor from coming into the province. Still, they will not do it. So far as I can learn no province has taken advantage of the legislation which the Dominion Government has placed on the statute books. Let me* go a little further.

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LIB

James Hamilton Ross

Liberal

Mr. ROSS:

Could not the Government effect the very same purpose by prohibiting the manufacture and importation of liquor in a province?

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CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG:

Then it would be interfering with the autonomy of the provinces, and my hon. friend would be one of the first to argue that that would be seriously interfering with provincial rights.

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LIB

James Hamilton Ross

Liberal

Mr. ROSS:

Let the Government try it,

and I will show you what I will do.

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CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG:

Not only did the minister, in 1916, advance temperance legislation in this regard, but he brought in a further Bill, No. 121, which has further restricted wholesale quantities to certain persons. I am glad to say he has been able to give the provinces the power to control the distribution by mail of advertisements for the sale of liquor. Section 3 (a) of the Bill says:

3a. Any person who by himself, his clerk, servant or agent, and any person who as clerk, servant, agent, officer or employee of any other person, sends or attempts to send, through His Majesty's mails, to, from or in any province, any advertisement, letter or document with respect to the sale, purchase or furnishing of intoxicating liquor, the publication or circulation of which is prohibited by the law of such province, is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a penalty of not less than ten dollars and not exceeding one hundred dollars, or to imprisonment for a term [DOT] not exceeding thirty days, or to both fine and imprisonment.

In the district I have the honour to represent they have felt it has been a very great injustice to allow the Post Office Department to be used for the purpose of

distributing advertisements for the sale of liquor. The same contention is made in different parts of the province of Ontario and I am sure I am voicing the sentiments of every member of the House when I say we appreciate the efforts of the minister in bringing about this legislation.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

I am surprised that the mails of His Majesty are polluted by liquor. When I had the honour to be Postmaster General of Canada I issued directions to every mail carrier not to carry liquor with His Majesty's mail. I do not see how the next section can be made effective, because it prohibits the circulation of liquor literature or advertisements through His Majesty's mail. The Montreal Gazette is full of liquor advertisements. Many of the Montreal papers contain advertisements of the licensed victuallers, and include the names of the various port wines, Scotch whiskies and so on. They pass through the mails without anything to prevent them, and they circulate largely in other provinces.

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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

But, this law is to prevent that.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

Would my hon. friend undertake to say that the Montreal Gazette, or La Patrie, or Le Canada, or Le Devoir, or any other Montreal newspaper containing liquor advertisements will be forbidden circulation in provinces where they have prohibition?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. B. BENNETT:

It is being done in the United States.

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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

If the province prohibits it. This has been done in many cases.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

I think that is a very drastic section. It means that if the Government of Ontario is sincere it will have to prevent the Montreal Star, the Montreal Gazette, La Patrie, Le Canada, and nearly every paper published in Montreal from circulating in Ontario. The only paper that does not publish any liquor advertisements is the Montreal Weekly Witness, which lives up to its professions, and has always been a temperance paper. But all the press of Montreal will be suppressed by the Ontario Government.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. B. BENNETT:

No, the advertisements will be suppressed but not the papers.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

I would be very much surprised if the Toronto Government would notify the Montreal Gazette and the Mont-

real Star that they will not be allowed to circulate in Ontario unless these liquor advertisements are omitted.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. B. BENNETT:

They have done it in the United States.

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August 11, 1917