August 31, 1917

LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Do they not receive any allowance for the time they spend on this work? One of the members I know is from Alberta. Any members of the board who live outside of Winnipeg would be put to considerable expense in attending the meetings.

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George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

They are quite willing to give their services as a contribution to the war.

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

There is this other point. If men of not unlimited means are serving without remuneration, it is just possible that there may not be quite the same readiness to respond to the needs of the service as if they were being paid by the country. I am not speaking on behalf of any one, but the idea occurred to me just at the moment.

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George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

I think there is a great deal to be said on the other side. These gentlemen were quite willing to give their services. If my hon. friend has followed the course of events in the United States, he must have observed that nine-tenths of the men on the great committees, composed of men of all sorts and conditions and representing a great many interests and activities, are giving their services as a contribution to the nation. That is a splendid illustration of the public spirit of the people of the United States. Their territory covers a great area, and these different committees have often to be summoned to Washington. They get their expenses, I imagine, but outside of that their' services are voluntary.

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I asked a question of the minister in regard to the proposed action of the Board of Grain Supervisors fixing the price of grain from August 1.

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George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

The Board of

Grain Supervisors have been considering that question. In the action they had to take covering the month of August, the board were at a disadvantage, and our Food Controller ihas been at a disadvantage also in fixing the prices of different commodities, especially flour. Although there is close correlation between the United States and Canada, the United States had no authority to act, and that meant that for a period of one month-the month that has just passed

-we had either to do nothing but wait until the United States had received authority for the fixing of prices and had acted upon it, or do the best we could in fixing prices for that intervening month. But now that legislation has been passed authorizing the authorities in the United States to act, our Board of Grain Supervisors and our Food Controller are on more solid ground, and action may be expected from the Food Controller which could not have been taken with the expectation of good results, until co-operation with the United States had been provided for.

My hon. friend and some others have spoken of the foolishness and injustice of putting a maximum price on grain and not putting a -maximum price on flour. If things were normal it would be inconsistent to fix the price of one and not of the other, but there was no certain knowledge of what conditions would be at the end of this intervening month, and we could not very well fix a price for flour made of grain that had been bought in the undetermined period. But now that the period is determined, now that the fixation of price in Canada will be for a period, as it is in the United States, the price of flour will be fixed having regard to the price of wheat.

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CON

George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

I should like to.

I shall be glad to -give any information regarding this matter on any other item in

the estimates.

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I just wish to make this statement, so that I shall not be caught in cross-fire by my hon. friend from Muskoka in the future. In any fixing of -the price of grain in Canada, now that the price is being fixed in the United States, I claim that there should always be recognition of the difference in value in grades of the same name as between Canadian and United States grain.

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George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

My hon. friend understands that from the 11th of August the new system of grading has been in effect in the United States.

At six o'clock the committee took recess.

After Recess.

Committee resumed at eight, Mr. Rain-ville in the Chair.

Civil Government-Department of Militia and Defence-To provide for an increase in salary to the Assistant Deputy Minister to $4,000,

$150; to provide for an increase in salary to the Director bf Contracts to $4,000, $150; to provide for an increase in salary to the Assistant Director of Contracts to $2,800, $200 ; to provide for a clerkship in First Division, Subdivision A, for R. P. Brown, in lieu of one in First Division, Subdivision B, $2,800; to provide for four clerkships in Second Division, Subdivision B, at $1,300, $5,200-$8,500.

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Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

There is no increase in the last two items. These officers *are put into another class but at the same salary. There are increases in the first three items of $150 to the deputy minister, $150 to the director of contracts and $200 to the assistant director of contracts. The only way in which these officers could get increases was by putting the' amounts in the Estimates.

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I thought there was provision for statutory increases to all officials of the inside service. Are these outside of the statutory increases?

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Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

That is the reason these slight increases are put in the Estimates, -they are over and above the statutory increases?

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Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

Yes, they would be entitled to them; but $100 is all that the statutory increase amounts to. These officials have done very laborious and faithful work since the war began and it was thought, in the interest of the service, that we should give them some slight recognition in this way.

Militia and Defence-to cover expenditure by party of officers of the Canadian militia attending British, French and Swiss army manoeuvres in 1913, as per detailed statement, Auditor General's Report, 1913-14, ,p. 65,

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

This seems to me a rather remarkable item. Would the minister give an explanation of it?

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Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

This is a formal matter more than anything else. The Auditor General asked that the item should be put in the Estimates because he thought it was not legal unless it was voted, ifhe expenditure occurred in 1913-14. In that year and in the years following it w.as thoroughly discussed in the House.

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August 31, 1917