September 5, 1917

LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

Is this line to be operated on the same principle and under the same conditions as the line in Nova Scotia, which is that there will be no such thing as a man renting a phone, but that a phone will be placed in somebody's place of business or residence, and people will go in and pay a certain toll? I understand that this line will extend about 70 miles to Chatham. If this system is to be adopted, does it mean that the same charge will be made for all points on that 70 miles, and, if so, what will that rate be?

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John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

That is a very reasonable question and I shall procure the information before eight o'clock.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

I may say that I am absolutely opposed to the whole system and feel like criticising each item and getting all possible information. I think it necessary that the people should have some of this information in order that they may realize what an awful system is being imposed on them for what, in my judgment, is purely a political reason. I shall continue to ask questions and I hope the minister will realize that I am doing it only from a sense of duty.

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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

The information I have before me is what it is usual for the minister to have in passing these estimates, but of course there may be questions that call for fuller information and I shall have the proper official here at eight o'clock. It is better to have the items criticised because in that way information may be forthcoming which will be valuable to the minister in respect to either expenditure or opera-

tion. I want the hon. -member to feel that I am not withholding any information.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

As the minister is in the happy position of not having any information, of course he cannot withhold it. If this discussion has done nothing but reveal the condition of affairs existing in the county of Inverness, and if it produces a remedy for that condition of affairs and places this system in such a position that it will not be an absolute political machine but will be of some benefit to the public, the afternoon will not have been spent in vain.

At six o'clock the Committee took recess.

After Recess.

The Committee resumed at eight o'clock.

Telegraph and telephone lines-New Bruns- [DOT] wick-Chatham-Escuminac and Point Sapin telephone line-extension to Kouchibouguac, $3,000.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

What rates are to be charged on this line, and w-hat is the expected revenue?

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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

I will hand my hon. friend an extract from the report of the Department of Public Works; it will give him some information on that.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

On the Escuminac line

the expenditure last year was $1,692.83 and the revenue $968.20. What is the anticipated revenue from the proposed extension to "Kouchibouguac?

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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

Two hundred dollars a year over cost of operation is expected.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

Does that mean $200 over the annual expenditure for keeping the line in repair-replacements, betterments and , maintenance?

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John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

Two hundred dollars a year over the cost of maintenance. The man who is looking after the other line will keep this one in repair.

Quebec-Quebec county telephone lines, $2,400; Dorchester county telephone lines, $3,500.

Mr. BOULAY- In making appropriations for telephone lines the Government has evidently forgotten a part of the country which is in great need of that service. I refer to that part of Quebec extending fro- Matane to Gaspe, along the south shore of the St. Lawrence. This part of the province is settled chiefly by fishermen, whose only communication during the winter is by telegraph.. In this district, which covers an area

of about 200 miles, lumber mills are being established and business is going to improve, but very likely the people there will never have the benefit of a railroad. Part of this district is in the county of Rimouski and part in the county of Gaspe. I hope the Government will bear my remarks in mind and make an appropriation next year with a view to improving the means of communication afforded to these people, who, as it were, are buried under the snow nearly seven months in the year. I wish to call the attention of the minister also to the condition of the Matapedia road. Some improvements have been effected, but this year the item for the necessary work has been entirely forgotten. The Matapedia road is a very important one; it is much used by travellers; automobiles and teams pass over it when going from Quebec to New Brunswick. It is the only road in the Matapedia valley leading into Campbellton. It is in a very dangerous condition.

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Herménégilde Boulay

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BOULAY:

Yes, it was built by the Federal Government. There should be an appropriation this year to put that road in a safe condition.

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Herménégilde Boulay

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BOULAY:

I think it was before

Confederation. If no appropriation is made this year for making repairs to that road, I hope the minister will see that the matter is attended to next year.

This road should not be neglected. It is the only road we have. It should be widened. In some places it is only from twelve to fifteen feet wide, and travellers complain that in some parts the telegraph poles are right in the middle of the road. Steps should have been taken long ago to compel the Great Northwestern Telegraph Company to move those poles to one side of the road. This should be done as soon as is convenient.

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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

I will make a note of the hon. member's remarks and will take the matter up with the department.

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LIB

Edmond Proulx

Liberal

Mr. PROULX:

Are these telephone lines in Quebec and Dorchester counties to be used in connection with the operation of the Transcontinental railway?

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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

No, they are just for the use of the people living in the locality.

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LIB

Edmond Proulx

Liberal

Mr. PROULX:

Why this discrimination? Why is the Government building telephone lines in only two counties of Quebec?

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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

If the hon. member will look over a list of the lines in Quebec he will see that there are telephone or telegraph lines in many constituencies of the province along both shores. Away down along the north shore, where neither railway companies nor private companies have lines, the Government have had to build lines.

I speak of the north shore at points such as Tadoussac and Chicoutimi, where telephonic communication is required for the protection of shipping and to enable the fishermen to do business. That is the only communication the people have with the city of Quebec.

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September 5, 1917