September 15, 1917

LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

There is a matter,

not relating to this item, which I should like to bring to the minister's attention. The town of New Glasgow is desirous of having a letter carrier system adopted in the town. I do not know whether it comes within the limits of population and revenue prescribed iby the department but the town has increased in population and importance very considerably of late years, and I think it should be granted a letter carrier service. Has the minister received any reports from his officials on the subject?

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Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

We require a population of 12,000 and a revenue of $20,000.

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Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

Perhaps the minister would inquire whether he has received any application from the town itself, and let me know on Monday.

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Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

I shall be glad to make inquiry.

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John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

I cordially support this increase in salary. I have known this officer for many years, and have always found him painstaking and most obliging and satisfactory in every way. I do not think this is at all too much for a man of his ability. 1 should like to say a word on a matter which I brought up in the House last year when the Post Office estimates were up. I do not know whether any attention has been paid to the matter by the department or not, but I think that some consideration should be given to those places that are distant foT a considerable number of miles from railway stations, by

getting automobiles to carry the mail in place of the old-fashioned system of couriers. In Nova Scotia the railway runs through the centre of the province, and there are practically no branch lines, and many villages have grown up at a distance from the railway stations. Rural delivery is not satisfactory on a route of forty miles or more, with people settled all along the route, because by the time the mail arrives at the end of the road it is very late. One thing these people want is a sufficient number of post offices along the route, and also a quick delivery by motor car. There is no doubt that it would be a great convenience. It has been taken up already in some places by private enterprises, but

I should like [DOT]to see the department ask for two classes of ten- ders; one for a service carried by

a motor car, in the summer especially, and the other, for a service carried tn the old-fashioned way. If this was done the minister would be able to see the difference in cost. Personally, I do not think it would cost a great deal more to have the mail delivered by automobile. The livery stable people very often have charge of these long routes, and in the summer season they could use their horses for other purposes.

I can assure the minister that it would be a great accommodation to these people to have the mail delivered by motor car especially in the summer season. In places where the automobile has been adopted by private enterprise people are now getting their mail at four o'clock in the afternoon, whereas they did not get it until nine o'clock at night under the old system. The minister will see that the automobile delivery would be a great advantage, and if it can be done at not too great a cost, I think it should be done.

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Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

This work is done under contract, of course. We do not furnish horses and wagons or .motor cars for the carriage of the mail, and therefore it would be a matter of ascertaining whether we could find people who would contract to deliver the mail by automobile, and who would not charge an unduly greater price than is charged by the men who now have the contract. I shall be very glad to look into the matter of comparative cost, and if the difference in cost is not too great I would be disposed to agree with my hon. friend as to the advantage of adopting the other method.

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John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

I do not think there should be very much difficulty about it. The deputy minister knows that the department specifies the class of vehicle that is to carry the mail-a one-horse or two-horse rig and so on. It would be an easy matter for the department to stipulate that during certain months of the year the mail shall be carried by automobile.

Post Office Department-To provide tor an increase in salary of the superintendent of Mail Contracts Branch to $4,450, $750; to provide for an increase in salary of the accountant to $4,000, $500; to provide for the salaries of two clerks in First Division, subdivision B: one at $2,700, one at $2,300, $5,000 ; to hereby promote G. A. D. Mailleue, F. M. S. Jenkins and T. M. Oliver from Third Division, subdivision A, to Second Division, subdivision B, at $1,250 each, and Joseph Marier at $1,200, $4,950 ; to provide for the promotion of thirty-two clerks from Third Division, subdivision A, to Second Division, subdivision B, $1,600-$12,800.

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I notice that it costs $4,950 to promote four men, and only $1,600 to promote thirty-two men. How is it that one party comes so much more expensive than the other?

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Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

I understand that in the case of the four men their salaries are $1,200 each. Their promotion to a higher class involves an increase of $50, and their promotion leaves vacancies in the division they have just left. I; the vacancies in the lower class aTe not filled, of course the money will lie there. But putting these clerks into this class necessitates providing salaries for clerks in the class from which they are promoted Thirty-two clerks in the Third Division, subdivision A, are, under the Civil Service Act recently passed, entitled to promotion to Second Division, subdivision B, and to provide for that $50 each is 'required for thirty-two men.

Pensions - European war-further amount required, $2,000,000.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

I have a statement from the Board of Pension Commissioners showing the amount that will be required for the year. The total amount required is $8,000,000, made us as follows:

1. Pensions already granted-

Amount paid for pensions in Canada and England for months of

April, May and June, 1917 $1,253,470

Estimate of pensions to be paid from July 1, 1917, to March 31, jgig , 3,021,637

2. New Pensions-

New pensions estimated at $1,800 per month from July 1, 1917, to March 31, 1918, at average of $400 per pension per month $2,700,000

The average of $400 per pension per month Is based on past business; 1,000 pensions for

April, 1917, working out at $450 per annum, and at the same number for May, 1917, working out at $380 (per annum.

3. Gratuities (for disability-Class 6)- Gratuities paid April, May

and June, 1917 $ 29,400

Estimates from July 1,

1917, to March 31, 1918, average $300 per month for 9 months, at $50 per

gratuity 135,000

$ 164,400

4. Estimated expenses of administering pensions-

Salaries, rentals, etc $ 470,000

The total has been put, in round figures, at $8,000,000. The amount of $2,000,000 is further required, in addition to the amount provided in the main estimates, in order to meet expenses up to March 31 next.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

According to the report made to the House last year, and made effective by Order in Council under the War Measures Act, in the event of total disability a private gets $480.'

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

There has been no change up to the present, but the Prime Minister has stated to the House that he intends under the War Measures Act to increase that amount, having regard to the advance m the cost of living and to other, considerations.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

No, it has not been fixed. In fact, it has not yet been definitely considered.

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

My information is that there is grave reason for complaint in respect oif the action of the pension commissioners in dealing with claims involving less than total disability. Perhaps it would be 'better, under all the circumstances, if we did not pass the item now, because it is a matter of very great importance and might very well be the subject of some slight discussion in the House.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

If the hon. gentleman wants the item to stand over until next day that will be all right.

Civil Government-departments various____To

pay to each of the officers, clerks and employees in the Second Division, who obtained the ordinary annual increase during the present IMr. Hazen.}

year on or subsequent to the first day of April, 1917, and previous to the coming into force of the Civil Service Amendment Act of 1917 an additional amount of $50, $29,825 ; to .provide for any increase of salary under the Civil Service Amendment Act of 1917, not otherwise provided for therein, $32,500-$63,325.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

That is .to carry out the legislation which was passed this year, which, hon. members will remember, gave the $100 increase instead of 'the $50 increase. The original estimates were based on the statutory increase of $50. This is to make up the difference.

Progress reported.

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September 15, 1917