April 30, 1918

REPORTS AND PAPERS. ,


Copy of Order in Council " Defence of Canada Order, 1917," entry in Canada of vessels carrying explosives in self-defence. -Hon. Mr. Ballantyne. Copy of Order in Council instituting rank of Surgeon Probationer, R.N.C.V.R.-Hon, Mr. Ballantyne. Report of the Commissioners appointed to investigate the businesses of the William Davies Co., Ltd., and Matthews-Blackwell, Limited.-Hon. Mr. Crothers. Statement of the expenditure of the Dominion Publicity Committee in account with the Dominion Government and in connection with the Victory Loan, and report of Mr. A. E. Ames, chairman of the Dominion Executive Committee of the Canada Victory Loan, 1917.-Hon, A. K. Maclean.


SENATE BILL.

RAILWAY ACT AMENDMENT.


On motion of Hon. J. D. Reid (Minister of Railways), Bill No. 70 (Letter A of the



Senate), to Consolidate and Amend the Railway Act, was read the first time:.


THE WAR.

PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE


On the Orders of the Day. Major-General MEWBURN (Minister of Militia and Defence) : Mr. Speaker, I have been requested to make a statement in the House regarding the procedure that has been adopted by the Department of Militia and Defence regarding the obtaining of men for military service, in pursuance of Order in Council (P.C. 919), of the 20th April, 1918, and also, of Order in Council (P.C. 962), of the 20th April, 1918. By paragraph five of the Order in Council first mentioned,- The Governor in Council may direct orders to report for duty to issue to men in any class under the Act of any named age or ages or who were horn in named years or any named year or part of a year and any exemption theretofore granted to any man of any such named age or year of birth shall cease from and after noon of the day upon which he is ordered so to report, and no claim for exemption by or in respect of any man shall be entertained or considered after the issue to him of such order provided, however, that the minister may grant leave of absence without pay to any man by reason of the death, disablement or service of other members of the same family while on active service in any theatre of actual war. After the most careful consideration, and having regard to the national interest, which must be the dominating factor today, it was considered that in pursuance of Order in Council (P.C. 919), those between the ages of 20 and 22 years both inclusive, should first be called out and an OrdeT in Council was passed accordingly. The age of every man by or on whose behalf exemption was claimed had to be given in the claim, hence the age given on the original registration is to be taken as conclusive evidence against the man' of his age and year of birth. Under the last-mentioned Order in Council the Military Service Registrars were instructed to notify all those registered within these ages to report for service, but to notify first the men coming from urban centres', so that men of these ages (20 to 22), who are on farms should not be called sooner than is absolutely necessary, and might thus have an opportunity of completing their seeding operations. Although no exemptions are given in this class it seemed reasonable that this opportunity should be given while the men from urban centres were being brought in. The responsibility for securing men between the ages of 20 to 22 thus called out has been placed upon the Militia Department which has to assume the duty of apprehending any such men failing to report. In regard to the men in class one, other than those between the ages of 20 and 22, the operation and administration of the Military Service Act is still controlled by the Military Service Council, and all appeals still pending are being prosecuted to a completion. The return shows the total number reporting under the Military Service Act, up t£ the 29th April, 1918, as 39,208 to be deducted . from this are 2,063, who have gone to Imperial Units, such as Royal Air Force, leaving 37,145 recruits for the Canadian Expeditionary Force. This, of course, includes men of class one who have voluntarily reported. Desertions. According to the reports there were, on the 29th of April, 1918, some 7,096 men of Class 1 who had, so far, failed to report and who had not yet been apprehended. Every effort is being made to apprehend these men. The attention of the House should be called to the fact that these men are deserters and, therefore, lawbreakers, and as my Department is charged with their apprehension, I wish to inform the House that it is the intention of the Department of Militia and Defence to carry out that duty, and for that purpose to use whatever measures may be found necessary. Under the Order in Council (P.C. 919) the House will notice that there is only one ground for exemption, viz., " The Minister may grant leave of absence without pay to any man by reason of the death, disablement or service of other members of the same family while on active service in any theatre of actual war," and by the same Order in Council, the words " in any theatre of actual war," are defined as " not including the high seas or Great Britain, or Ireland." It, therefore, became necessary for me to give definite ihstructions to district officers commanding for the purpose of defining the persons who should he granted leave of absence under this proviso. These instructions were promulgated in Routine Order No. 466 of the 20th April, 1918, wherein it is stated that the exemption extends to the only remaining son of military age. In any such case the man so affected will, on reporting for duty, claim leave of absence on this ground to the officer commanding the unit to which he reported, whereupon the latter will give provisional leave of absence and the case will be forwarded to Militia Headquarters, by the officer commanding the district to be confirmed. It must be clearly understood that every man within the class so called out must report, and his claim for leave of absence will then be considered. At this point I might explain, to clear up confusion which possibly exists, that all men in a class called out are, by the Military Service Act, deemed to be soldiers for the period of the war and demobilization thereafter, and that, if they do not come within the specially excepted classes under the Act, and have not been granted exemption by the tribunals the only method by which they can be relieved of military duty is to give them leave of absence without pay. Every application for leave of absence on the ground of death, disablement or service of other members of the same family will be dealt with on its merits, the principle to be applied is as follows: If there are several sons, seme of whom are serving in France-or in England, with the early prospect of being sent to France-and only one son of military age remains at home, such last-mentioned son is to be granted leave of absence. Cases may arise where there are two sons left at home, one of whom is of military age, and the other of whom will become of military age, say within six months. In such a case there will, at the expiration of six months, be two sons of military age remaining home, and in that event one of them will then be called upon to serve. In calling out the classes aibove mentioned, it is realized that we chiefly require men of category " A." We are, therefore, only notifying men. who, having already had a medical examination, are found to be in this category or who have not yet been medically examined. Every man, however, upon reporting for duty will immediately be medically examined, whether he has been examined previously or not, and those who fall within the categories lower than " A," will be given leave of absence until further orders." It should be explained that men of category " B " in Claes I under the Military Service Act aTe being generally warned to report for duty, but, as the number of such men presently required is not large, it is intended, for the present, to retain and utilize only those who did not claim exemption or whose exemptions were refused, and not to make use of men in category " B " between the ages of 20 and 22, unless and until their services become necessary. Temporary Leave of Absence to Farmers and Farm Labourers, in Categories lower than " A." Realizing the serious need of food production, we have endeavoured to meet this situation as far as possible, and it has been provided that any member of the C.E.F. in Canada, in category lower than " A " who can be spared from his military duties, may be granted leave of absence without pay. This can he done by the authority of the officer commanding the district on presentation of a certificate from the agricultural representative of the district that the man in question is an efficient farm labourer. The so-called " Regulations " that were printed and distributed to the members of the House, are really extracts from our routine orders that are issued daily from headquarters, for the guidance of district officers commanding. It was considered that extracts from these orders would bt useful to the members of the House. 'No doubt members would like to knowhow many men will probably be obtained under these Orders in council. As there is no complete registration in Canada, actual figures cannot be given, but as far as can be gathered from the lists of men who. reported for service or claimed exemption under the Military Service Act, it would appear that there are in Canada between the ages of 20 and 22 inclusive, a total of about 70,000 men. From this number, however, two important deductions must be made,- (1) A very considerable number who have not yet been medically examined, and (2) A further considerable number who will, on re-examination, prove to be in categories lower than " A." Previous experience shows that this latter class will represent a substantial proportion of the whole. Therefore, a conservative estimate, under all tne circumstances, would appear to be about 35,000. As the Order in Council of the 20th April, 1918, (P.C. 919), brings into Class 1 boys of nineteen and those who became twenty since the 13th October, 1917, a proclamation will issue calling on them to register. No. date for calling up these men has yet been decided upon. It will, of course, depend on the exigencies of the military situation.



As already stated, the order in which exemptions affecting men of any named age or ages are to be cancelled, rests with the Governor in Council and, of course, before any additional years are selected the matter will be exhaustively considered from all points of view. The broad principle upon which the Government has acted is that having in mind the urgency of the national peril, very few men, (a) unmarried or widowers without children, (b) between the ages of 20 and 22 and (c) in medical category "A" can really be regarded as indispensable to any business. Some representations have been made with regard to the only son of a widow who is her sole support. This subject must be approached from two points of view:-(1) the national interest; (2) personal hardship. In the first place, it is conceded that the calling up of the only son of a widow necessarily brings sorrow to the mother, but it must be recognized that this sorrow comes to every mother who parts with her son. There are cases where the only son on the farm is between the ages of 20 and 22, and the widowed mother will suffer hardship if he is taken. The same considerations would apply to the only son of a widow who is living in the city and who, for example, is engaged in business and is supporting a mother, possibly sisters as well. There is also, the case of an only son supporting an invalid father, where equal hardship exists. From the standpoint of financial difficulties, it must not foe overlooked that the widowed mother in such cases will be in receipt of,- (a) Separation Allowance, (b) Assigned Pay, (c) Patriotic Fund Allowance. Take for example, the case of a widow on a small farm. It may be that the farm cannot be operated to its fullest capacity without the son's assistance, but it can be operated to a sufficient extent to provide the living of those people residing on it, and against the loss of income from increased production, etc., must be set off the allowances above referred to. Further, from the standpoint of the national interest, the diminution of production upon such small properties must be considered, under present circumstances as negligible. The Government fully realize and most deeply regret that hardship and sorrow are entailed by every new application of the Military Service Act, but they hope the people will realize that those upon whom [Major-General Mewburn.] this stern duty falls have no alternative. Our forces at the front are likely to be attacked by overwhelming numbers at any time until the tremendous struggle which began on 21st March last ehall have reached a conclusion. Our failure to support them with adequate reinforcements might lead to their decimation or destruction. It would be of little avail to increase production if that increase should be accompanied by such disaster at the front, that our products could not reach Great Britain or the Allied Nations beyond the seas. In that case we should have sown so that Germany might reap. Moreover, the Government hopes that during the coming summer a more effective mobilization of the human energy of Canada may be effected, with the result that the crops sown during the spring may receive necessary attention during the summer and may be successfully harvested in the autumn. Quebec Situation. I have constantly stated, in the past, that I believed Quebec would do its duty, and I am happy to be able to report to the House many evidences of a marked change of feeling in that province. It is gratifying to note by the papers that Saint Mary's College and Laval University have granted leave of absence to all their students who come under the military law of this country, and have encouraged them to do their duty and it is hoped that this good example will considerably help matters. Further, I have a report that the quotas from both the McGill and Laval Universities, for the new Tank Battalion, have 'been completed and more men are offering than can be accepted, for this unit. There is very good evidence to show that many young men in the province of Quebec who have been exempted are now ready to come forward and serve, and it is realized where these men have had no former military experience, there is a certain amount of dread in the minds of their families as to their associations. Therefore, special efforts will be made to keep friends and associates together. In view of the splendid spirit displayed by the universities and colleges, arrangements are being made to organize new units in connection with these institutions. Of course, it must be realized that we are not sending any complete infantry battalions overseas, but representations have been made to the overseas authorities with a view to ensuring that the young men who come from certain localities shall go to the same reserve unit in England to complete their training and finally to the same linked battalion at the Front; the object being, so far as possible, to ensure that these young men will serve under as congenial conditions as possible. As far as I am personally concerned, every effort will be made to avoid all misunderstandings with a sincere desire tio promote a better feeling between provinces in the Dominion of Canada. It seems to me that where the national interests are at stake, all provincial feelings should be eliminated, so that Canada may present a common front to the common enemy. In conclusion, permit me to read the following extract from a speech made by Mr. RudyaTd Kipling, at Folkestone, and published in the London Morning Post. The paragraph is headed- If the Hun Wins. If for any reason whatever we fall short of victory-and there is no half-way house between victory and defeat-what happens to us? This. Every relation, every understanding, every decency upon which civilization has been so anxiously built up will go-will be washed out, because it will have been proved unable to endure. The whole idea of democracy-which at bottom is what the Hun fights against-will be dismissed from men's minds, because it will have been shown incapable of maintaining itself against the Hun. It will die; and it will die discredited, together with every belief and practice that is based on it. The Hun ideal, the Hun's root-notions of life will take its place throughout the world. Under that dispensation man will become once more the natural prey, body and goods, of his better-armed neighbour. Women will be the mere instrument for continuing the breed; the vassal of man's lust and man's cruelty ; and labour will become a thing to be knocked on the head if it dares to give trouble, and worked to death if it does not. And from this order of life there will be no appeal, no possibility of any escape. This is what the Hun means when he says he intends to impose German kultur-which is the German religion-upon the world. This is precisely what the world has banded Itself together to resist. (Cheers.) It will take every ounce in us; it will try us out to the naked soul. Our trial will not be made lesd> by the earnest advice and suggestions that we should accept some sort of compromise, which means defeat, put forward by Hun agents and confederates among us. (Hear, hear.) They are busy in that direction already. But be sure of this: Nothing-nothing we may have to endure now will weigh one featherweight compared with what we shall most certainly have to suffer if for any cause we fail of victory.


UNION

Hugh Havelock McLean

Unionist

Mr. W. F. McLEAN (South York):

Will members of the House be able to get this afternoon copies of the official statement which the minister has just read, so that they can forward those copies to their constituents as answers to questions they have

received? Many hon. members would very much appreciate it if that could be done.

Major-General MEWBURN: I shall endeavour to have the statement printed at once.

Topic:   THE WAR.
Subtopic:   PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   ACT. - ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAJOR-GENERAL MEWBURN, MINISTER OP MILITIA.
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Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Laurier Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

Mr. Speaker, by your leave, may I make another suggestion to the minister? In the regulations it is provided that any member of the Canadian Expeditionary Force in Canada in categories lower than A, who can be temporarily spared from his military duty, may be granted leave of absence without pay on the authority of the commanding officer of the district, on production of a certificate from the agricultural representative. If the minister would supplement the statement which he has made to-day with a list of both the commanding officers and the agricultural representatives in every district, the matter of giving information in reply to questions could be greatly facilitated. I am satisfied that all the members of the House are in receipt of letters asking for information as to how men should apply for leave of absence. If an hon. member can say: Apply to Mr. So and So in your district, and if he can give the name of both the commanding officer and the agricultural representative, he would be able to get the information much more quickly.

Major-General MEWBURN: In reference to the Order in Council, I have practically completed arrangements in every military district throughout Canada as to those men (20 to 22 inclusive) who are to report. I realize that it will mean more or less of a hardship for a man to come from the country info the city to report, but we must have some evidence that a man is within a category lower than " A." All the man has to do is to appear at the Depot Battalion to which he has beeni ordered to report, when he will be medically examined, and if his medical examination places him in a category lower than " A," he will at once be given leave of absence. We thought the simplest way to do, so as not to put men to undue'trouble was to have a representative of the Department of Agriculture in each district to verify applications of men who claim to be farmers or efficient farm labourers. These agricultural representatives will certify that such and such a man is an efficient farm labourer and on his certificate the man will, at once, be given leave of absence. It might facilitate matters if fuller information were given to the public.

Topic:   THE WAR.
Subtopic:   PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   ACT. - ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAJOR-GENERAL MEWBURN, MINISTER OP MILITIA.
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Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Hon. RODOLPHE LEMIEUX (Maisonneuve):

I wish to thank the Minister

of Militia and Defence for the kind words he has spoken in regard to the young men of Quebec, especially the Laval College men and St. Mary's College men. As I informed the minister yesterday, I met several of the young men who joined the Tank Unit in Ottawa and I think I can safely say that if the minister would follow up the idea of having units in which young men could keep their associations as much as possible, he could easily raise at once in the city of Quebec alone a complete Tank Unit. I have this from several of the young men who have joined that unit.

Topic:   THE WAR.
Subtopic:   PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   ACT. - ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAJOR-GENERAL MEWBURN, MINISTER OP MILITIA.
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UNION

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Unionist

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. The hon. member is exceeding his privilege.

Topic:   THE WAR.
Subtopic:   PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   ACT. - ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAJOR-GENERAL MEWBURN, MINISTER OP MILITIA.
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Ernest Lapointe

Laurier Liberal

Mr. E. LAPOINTE (Kamouraska):

While I was at my home over the week end, I met two farmers whose sons had been exempted, but their exemptions are now can-called as a result of the new regulations. At the same time they are receiving notices to appear before the Central Appeal Judge; the judgments granting them exemption having been appealed from. As late as Friday last, some of these men have received notices to appear before the Central Appeal Judge on the first of May. Is that a mistake, and have these young men anything to gain or lose by appearing or failing to appear before the Central Appeal Judge?

Major-General MEWBURN: Were those men other than the ages of twenty to twenty-two?

Topic:   THE WAR.
Subtopic:   PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   ACT. - ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAJOR-GENERAL MEWBURN, MINISTER OP MILITIA.
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Ernest Lapointe

Laurier Liberal

Mr. E. LAPOINTE:

Yes.

Major-General MEWBURN: The exemptions have been cancelled only of the men between the ages of twenty and twenty-two both inclusive. All men of the ages other than those mentioned can still continue to prosecute their appeals under the regulations of the Military Service Act.

Topic:   THE WAR.
Subtopic:   PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   ACT. - ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAJOR-GENERAL MEWBURN, MINISTER OP MILITIA.
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Ernest Lapointe

Laurier Liberal

Mr. E. LAPOINTE:

But these are men of twenty-one and twenty-two years of age.

Major-General MEWBURN: I cannot

understand why any such notices should have been sent out, because the registrars had from the Military Service Council a distinct notification to inform all men between the ages of twenty and twenty-two, both inclusive, that their exemptions were cancelled, and I requested that the men in the urban centres should be called first. Some ihistake must have been made. I shall have the matter looked into at once.

[Major-General Mew burn. ]

Topic:   THE WAR.
Subtopic:   PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   ACT. - ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAJOR-GENERAL MEWBURN, MINISTER OP MILITIA.
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Joseph Arthur Calixte Éthier

Laurier Liberal

Mr. J. A. C. ETHIER (Laval-Two Mountains) :

In the statement which has just been made by the minister, I do not find any mention of farmers who were proprietors of farms before the proclamation was issued in October last, and who are now twenty-one or twenty-two years of age. Supposing a young man of twenty-two years of age is a proprietor of a farm and a farmer himself ; supposing he has 150 acres and a large stock and he is alone on the farm, is he bound, as coming under the regulations now in force? He is a bona fide farmer. What action should he take?

Topic:   THE WAR.
Subtopic:   PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   ACT. - ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAJOR-GENERAL MEWBURN, MINISTER OP MILITIA.
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UNION

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Unionist

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. The hon. member is going to an inordinate length to ask a question.

Topic:   THE WAR.
Subtopic:   PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   ACT. - ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAJOR-GENERAL MEWBURN, MINISTER OP MILITIA.
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UNION

John Allister Currie

Unionist

Mr. J. A. CURRIE (North Simcoe):

We all know that there are some 60,000 exemptions claimed in the province of Quebec. We know that the exemptions of men between the ages of twenty and twenty-two are all wiped out. That settles that question. Did the minister state how many of those exemptions have now come before the tribunals and how they were disposed of? How many cases have come before the Central Appeal Judge and how many exemp- * tions are there now?

Major-General MEWBURN: The figures I gave which I obtained from the Military Service Council were an estimate of the number of men of the ages of twenty, twenty-one and twenty-two to whom exemptions had been granted on account of the result of the medical examinations or their position, and it was estimated in that way there were .about 70,000 men available. Many of those men have not been medically examined and the figures are only an. estimate.

I have not the other figures.

Topic:   THE WAR.
Subtopic:   PROCEDURE UNDER MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   ACT. - ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAJOR-GENERAL MEWBURN, MINISTER OP MILITIA.
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April 30, 1918