First I will take Gladstone. Was Gladstone a protectionist? Did he believe in protection? Did Campbell-Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George believe in protection? My hon. friends opposite may say, "These were Liberals and nothing else was to be expected of them." Well, we will take Conservative statesmen in Great Britain, and with the exception of Joseph Chamberlain, and even-he made it clear, in his tariff reform propaganda in Great Britain about seventeen or eighteen years ago, that he had no use for protection as protection; his campaign and arguments were based altogether on creating Imperial preferences in order to hold the Empire together. I think he was mistaken in that, but nevertheless he is on record as saying that he did not believe in protection for protection's sake. What about Peel, the Duke of Devonshire, and Lord St. Aldwyn. The last named, as Sir Michael Hicks-Beach, was one of the great English chancellors. What about Lord Salisbury and Lord Robert Cecil and Lord Hugh Cecil? Were these men carried away by the glamour of protection? No, they were absolutely against it. What about the Right Honourable A. J. Balfour, perhaps the
brightest intellect in the Conservative party in Great Britain? He refused to follow Chamberlain in his protectionist propaganda and policy. What about Disraeli, the creator of the modern Tory party in Great Britain? His judgment on protection was that so far as Great Britain was concerned it was not only dead but damned.
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