I understand from the minister that fines to the extent of $200,000 have been imposed, while only $15,000 have been collected. Where a fine is not collected, is the person fined sent to prison instead?
Yes, the term of imprisonment is, of course, extended proportionately,
and it is so stated in the statute. One section will provide for a penalty consisting of so much in money and a term of so many months in prison. In case of failure to pay the penalty in cash, the man is retained longer in jail.
I understand this traffic has been growing from year to year, and that it never was so serious as it is at the present moment. How is it then that the appropriation asked for is $20,765 less this year than last year?
I am informed that though this traffic has been on the increase during the last few years, lately, during the last eight or ten months, to our great satisfaction, some decrease has been shown. There is, indeed, a decrease in the amount of the item; but it was arranged that a part of the amount, which was formerly paid out by the department as expenses to the Royal Mounted Police, would be paid from now on by the Justice department, under which the police operate.
This is to control the sale of proprietary and patent medicines, which can be sold only after a license has been obtained from the department. A number of samples are being collected and analysed to find out whether the patent medicine which is offered for sale corresponds exactly with the formula submitted for approval and approved. There is, in this connection, for the issuing of licenses an advisory board which exists under statute and which costs about $2,000 a year..
We have a serious situation on the border line between New Brunswick and the state of Maine where the St. John river is on the boundary on the upper waters of the river. On the Canadian side of the river and on the lower reaches of the river where it runs through New Brunswick, we are strict with our mill owners as regards putting sawdust and refuse into the water, because the salmon are killed thereby. On the upper reaches of the river, where one side of the river is bounded by the state of Maine, we have no control of the United States sawmills. I should like to know if our representative on the International Joint Commission could not take this matter up and have some agreement made with the United States Authorities that they will compel the sawmill owners in the state of Maine to bum their sawdust or dispose of it in some other way than by putting it into the river. This does not affect the fish in the United States part of the river, because just below where the St. John river becomes the international boundary are the Grand Falls on the river, and no salmon can go up over those falls. Therefore, there are no salmon there. But this sawdust flows down and pollutes the river where it runs through New Brunswick entirely, and is very disastrous to salmon. This has been a very important question with us for years. We have taken the matter up, but so far we have not been able to get any relief. I brought the matter to the attention of the Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Lapointe), and he said that something would be done. The situation is a delicate one, but something should be done in the matter by the United States authorities. I would like our representative on the International Joint Commission to take this matter up, and I hope the minister will bring it to his attention.
steps to have this matter brought to the attention of my colleague the Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Lapointe). I think it is a proper subject for the consideration of the International Joint Commission.
I am aware of what my hon. friend from Victoria and Carleton (Mr. Caldwell) has referred to, and I know that the Department of Marine and Fisheries is taking very good care to fine any of our lumbermen who may be caught throwing sawdust and other mill rubbish into the St. John river where that is the international bound-arv. Complaint has been made to the authorities on many occasions that while fines are
imposed on our Canadian lumbermen their rivals in the state of Maine are left free to pollute the river and so destroy the fish. I hope that the Department of Marine and Fisheries and the Department of Health will look into the matter as soon as possible and take the necessary steps to make our American friends respect the law.
Mr. Chairman, the International Joint Commission is very largely a court, and the hon. minister can easily have this matter looked after by laying a complaint before the commission. I have no doubt he will do bo.