May 30, 1923

CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

It may possibly be, although I do not think so, that under the Audit Act, which has to do with our appropriations, we could charge to' a specific vote the cost of an inquiry which had to do absolutely with that one particular vote. But that is not the case here at all. We have here a concrete vote of $1,100,000 in connection with the Agricultural Instruction Act. It is not pretended that Mr. Duncan Marshall was engaged in England in connection with that matter. It is not pretended that he went down to Florida in connection with that. It is not pretended by the minister in charge of this department that there is a word of truth in the suggestion that he was acting as a commissioner to find out something in connection with the Agricultural Instruction Act. He went to Florida for the purpose of getting immigrants to come to Canada.

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LIB

Lomer Gouin (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Sir LOMER GOUIN:

That is a matter of fact. I was not questioned on the facts. It was on a point of law and it is on that question that I have given my opinion.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Perhaps I should not press my hon. friend any further on the point.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Before the vote is taken, may I point out that the salary of Mr. Mar-

shall is not taken out of this item, but out of another item?

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It has just as much right to be taken out of this as out of the other one.

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LIB
CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

The matter as to where the government may choose an item to misappropriate money is not a matter of concern to this House. The government has no right to take it out of either vote-none whatever.

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LIB

Jacques Bureau (Minister of Customs and Excise)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

There are two items; one is for a grant to the provinces of Canada for the purpose of assisting and encouraging agricultural instruction, grants to be made on a proportionate basis. That is item No. 51.

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LIB

George Newcombe Gordon (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Item 14 on page 8 of the estimates is the one under consideration.

Amendment (Mr. Irvine) negatived: Yeas 39; nays 82.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

If the minister is confident of his opinion, will he undertake to grant a fiat that this matter may be tested?

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, no.

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LIB

Lomer Gouin (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Sir LOMER GOUIN:

A fiat for what?

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

A fiat to test the validity of the payment to Duncan Marshall under this appointment by order in council.

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LIB

Jacques Bureau (Minister of Customs and Excise)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

That is childish. Take your medicine.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

We will get the medicine first, and then we shall see who takes it. Will the minister undertake so to do?

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LIB

Lomer Gouin (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Sir LOMER GOUIN:

I will not undertake that to-night. If I have a petition to that effect, I will consider it.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

The minister should have considered the matter before he gave his opinion to-night.

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Item agreed to. Progress reported. On motion of Mr. Mackenzie King the House adjourned at 11.45 p.m. Questions Thursday, May 31, 1923


May 30, 1923