April 4, 1924

LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Of creamery butter, Alberta ' produced 18,000,000 pounds, Saskatchewan 10,000,000 and Manitoba 10,000,000.

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Lewis Herbert Martell

Liberal

Mr. MARTELL:

Can the minister tell

us the position of the different creameries with regard to aid given to them? Are they all under the same equation as to aid given by the government?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

No. The only

aid ^ given has been to the experimental station at Finch. No assistance was given to the cheese or milk factories. That is a matter of provincial jurisdiction, excepting the experimental station at Finch. ~

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LIB
LIB
LIB

Lewis Herbert Martell

Liberal

Mr. MARTELL:

Why not give the same aid to experimental stations in other provinces?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I do not know

what my predecessor had in mind, but I think he wanted the station near Ottawa where he could administer it conveniently and with the least possible expense. I suppose the idea was to try one out first. Then if that was successful and was an indication

of the type of factory that was considered suitable in other parts of the country, it was thought possible that these people would take their cue from that and establish similar factories wherever it was practicable. But these are hard times for making capital investment, and the result is that people are slow to take advantage of the examples that have been set. We have in mind the establishment of another station. If my hon. friend has any thought that it would be acceptable in Nova Scotia, I am prepared to entertain it.

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CON

Simon Fraser Tolmie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TOLMIE:

Have you the figures for

the importation of butter?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I have the figures

for the amount of butter brought in from New Zealand and Australia. The quantity from New Zealand was 1,893,312 pounds and from Australia 13,758 pounds. One of the reasons for the difference is that New Zealand gets the benefit of the. British preference, while we have no preferential arrangement with Australia.

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George Stanley White

Mr. WTHITE:

Are the figures for 1922

available?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

We have them

dating back to 1907. In 1922 the amount was from New Zealand, 2,268,760 pounds and, from Australia, 297,132 pounds. Nearly twice as much was brought in from New Zealand in 1922 as in 1923. We can go back further if my hon. friend desires it.

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CON

Alexandre Joseph Doucet

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOUCET:

Do we require a certain

grading when we buy foreign butter?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

We do just as other countries do with respect to our butter; we buy butter on the grade of the country from which it comes; and we hope that when they get familiar with our grades they will buy the same way, but as yet they are not sufficiently familiar with it to accept our grade at the face value, as they probably will later on.

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CON

Alexandre Joseph Doucet

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOUCET:

The minister said there

was a-preferential tariff on New Zealand butter coming in and that accounted for a larger importation from New Zealand than from Australia. Would it not be to the advantage of this country if the preference to New Zealand were wiped out in order to protect our own industry?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

The regular duty

on butter is 4 cents per pound and under the

Supply-A griculture

preference with New Zealand it is 3 cents. My hon. friend's query raises a budget question which I am sure he does not want to enter into now. Of course if one believes unreservedly in protection to an old industry like dairying one can easily find an argument for raising the duty from 4 cents to 8 cents to correspond with the duty against us going into the United States. The suggestion has its attractions but not to the consumer in Canada.

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CON

Alexandre Joseph Doucet

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOUCET:

I realize that the question does raise the subject of protection and I do not expect the minister to give a definite opinion this evening. But he might influence his colleagues into making a revision of the tariff when the proper time comes.

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LIB

Lewis Herbert Martell

Liberal

Mr. MARTELL:

Does the hon. gentleman want the fishermen who are not farmers in his county to pay a.;duty on butter?

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Alexandre Joseph Doucet

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOUCET:

We are not discussing fish now; the subject is butter. It is as important to this industry to have protection as it is to make provision for dead insects as we have been doing all afternoon. In connection with this industry, w.ill the minister tell the committee what his department has been doing in the matter of contagious abortion?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

That comes under the Health of Animals branch. I was reading an interesting bulletin on the subject during the dinner recess, but I do not think we could very well discuss it at the present stage.

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April 4, 1924