June 9, 1924

CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON (West York):

In reference to the Supplementary estimates, I will not ask the Acting Minister of Finance (Mr. Robb) why he is holding up these estimates, but I ask him when we may expect the Supplementary estimates to be tabled.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Hon. J. A. ROBB (Acting Minister of Finance) :

May I request my hon. friend and

others not to press too loudly the intimation that there may be Supplementary estimates.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I am glad to

accept that as an answer. I know that there will be such estimates, and it would certainly facilitate the business of the House and the passing of the other estimates if the House knew at the earliest possible moment how much it is expected to vote altogether.

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WATER-POWERS OF ONTARIO


On the Orders of the Day.


LIB

William Manley German

Liberal

Mr. W. M. GERMAN (Welland):

I draw

the attention of the Minister of Railways and Canals (Mr. Graham) and the Minister of the Interior (Mr. Stewart) to a report in the

Consular Privileges

Toronto Globe of last Friday of a speech made by Sir Adam Beck at Prescott, Ontario, as follows:

Sir Adam announced to-night amid loud applause that at an interview in Ottawa to-day with Hon. George P. Graham, Minister of Railways and Canals and Hon. Charles Stewart, Minister of the Interior, these two ministers conceded to him on behalf of the federal government the full rights of Ontario as to the use of its water-power without litigation.

Will the hon. minister tell me if they made a statement of that kind or to that effect, or if they stated anything that would lead Sir Adam Beck to infer that the government would hand over the waters of the St. Lawrence river to the Hydro-Electric Power Commission of Ontario?

Hon. GEORGE P. GRAHAM (Minister of Railways and Canals): Sir Adam Beck, as

we all know, is an optimist on the question of the supply of power for the province of Ontario. He certainly is mistaken as to my making any suggestion along the lines indicated in his speech. I would have no authority to make such a statement, and as it is altogether a legal matter, I would not have the knowledge requisite to warrant me in making such a statement.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON (West York):

The hon. minister will recollect stating in the House either early this session or late last session that, so far as water for power purposes was concerned, it was a provincial right.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

I think, speaking from

memory, that my statement was that there were different parties interested, and I mentioned those parties, naming the provinces, the States, and the federal authorities. I have expressed the hope in this House that all interests might be harmonized in the undertaking of the great national work, but I would certainly have no authority to make the statement attributed to me by Sir Adam Beck.

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LIB
LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. CHARLES STEWART (Argen-teuil) (Minister of the Interior):

I have the

same statement to make. This is a legal matter. I have said, and I have no hesitation in saying again, that I think the people of Ontario have undoubtedly the first claim upon whatever power may be developed from these waters, but I cannot venture an opinion as to who owns the power.

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LIQUOR AND NARCOTICS

TREATY WITH THE UNITED STATES FOR SUPPRESSION OF ILLICIT TRAFFIC


On the Orders of the Day:


CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Right Hon. ARTHUR MEIGHEN (Leader of the Opposition):

Has the Senate of the United States ratified the treaty to which the Prime Minister referred on Motions as having been laid on the Table now?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

I understand the Senate

has not ratified the treaty.

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CONSULAR PRIVILEGES


On the Orders of the Day:


LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. J. S. WOODSWORTIJ (Centre Winnipeg) :

I should like to call the attention of the government to a news item appearing in the Montreal Gazette of June 7 under the heading:

Arrest of Spanish representative officially protested by Norwegian consul.

The article states in part:

There are two points at issue. The first is whether a consul, duly accredited, and representing the country in a foreign land, can be arrested by the police. The consuls at Montreal, such as those of France, the United States, Spain, and others, are not only consuls, but consuls-general, and therefore as high in the deplomatic service in Canada as is possible in a colony.

The second point is:

Whether or not the consular service is to remain in doubt in the matter of consular papers being searched by officers of any police force.

In the first place, does the government concede that Canada occupies the status simply of a colony? In the second place, is there precedent for the arrest of a consul, and are consular officers exempted from search?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Replying to my hon.

friend's first question, whether the government regards the status of the Dominion as that of a colony, I would say: Most certainly not; the status is that of a self-governing Dominion. As to the second question, whether consuls are to be exempt from arrest, the particular case to which the hon. member refers is one of a consul having been arrested on a very serious charge, that of violation of the smuggling laws, also the Opium and Narcotic Drugs Act of this country. I do not think there is in our laws any provision which would exempt consuls from arrest under such charges. As to whether there is a right of examination of documents in consular

Lausanne Treaty

offices, I am not aware that consuls enjoy any immunity equivalent to that which is granted ambassadors.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Would there, then, be a protest against the Norwegian consul making such statement public as to the standing of Canada politically?

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June 9, 1924