March 10, 1925

AUDITOR GENERAL AND ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE

LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Hon. J. A. ROBB (Acting Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, I desire to lay on the table certain correspondence exchanged between the Auditor General and the Acting Minister of Finance, asked for by my hon friend from West York (Sir Henry Drayton).

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CORRESPONDENCE ON OCEAN SHIPPING RATES

LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Hon. T. A. LOW (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, I desire to lay on the table of the House a copy of the correspondence asked for yesterday by the right hon. leader of the opposition (Mr. Meighen) in connection with ocean rates.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, last night my right hon. friend (Mr. Meighen) asked me with respect to a report on ocean rates from Dr. Magill to himself. I mentioned at the time that I had requested one of my colleagues to telegraph Dr. Magill for tihe report. This morning he received the following telegram in reply:

Hon. T. A. Low,

Minister of Trade and Commerce.

Winnipeg, March 10;

Hid not undertake work offered in Mr. Mcighen's letter February 16, 1921, because Hyndman Commission on grain trade appointed about that time.

R. Magill.

There appears to have been no report.

With reference to the correspondence which was tabled yesterday on the subject of ocean rates and the correspondence which has been tabled to-day from the Department of Trade and Commerce, which correspondence was requested by the right hon. leader of the opposition, I think the House should have the advantage of perusing it, and I therefore beg to move:

That one thousand copies in the English language and five hundred copies in the French language of the correspondence between the government of Canada and the British government in regard to the subject of ocean rates and especially in relation to the Imperial Shipping Committee laid on the table of the House on Monday, March 9, and one thousand copies in the English language and five hundred copies in the French language of the correspondence from the Department of Trade and Commerce regarding transatlantic freight and passenger rates, laid on the Table thiis day, be printed forthwith, and that rule 74 be suspended in relation thereto.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Right Hon. ARTHUR MEIGHEN (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I certainly

have no objection to the correspondence tabled on the 9th, which I asked for, between the Prime Minister's office and the British government or the Imperial Shipping Committee, being printed. But I know nothing about this subsequent correspondence which has been laid on the table to-day; it was not included in what was asked for by me. I have no personal knowledge of it so far as I know. It is somewhat voluminous and I only had about three seconds to look at it, but I note that many of the letters addressed to the minister are marked "private and confidential" ; I have not noticed whether any of his are or not. It seems to me that probably we would not be acting rightly in having the correspondence published without the closest investigation and perhaps the consent of the correspondents.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I do not know what "private and confidential" correspondence my right hon. friend alludes to.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It is marked.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

There is some marked "private and confidential?"

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Oh, yes.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I have no objection to the "private and confidential" letters not being brought down, but I think the rest

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of the correspondence should toe available at the earliest date. It was asked for by my right hon. friend, who requested production of correspondence not only from the Department of External Affairs but also from the Department of Trade and Commerce.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

What I asked for was

correspondence with the British government or the Imperial Shipping Committee. From what I have seen, this is correspondence written by various people in Canada to the Minister of Trade and Commerce, and is all marked "private and confidential" or "personal and confidential." I have not read any of it.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

How many

letters are marked "private and confidential?"

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I have only had time to look at a few. The last one is; the next one is, apparently most of them are.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Are there any others?

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

I may say that that letter was

placed on the general file by the ex-Minister of Trade and Commerce when he left the office.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It may be all right, I

am not saying any of it is necessarily private and confidential; I have not had time to read any of the letters. We are asked to order the printing and publication on one second's examination. I suggest that as to this correspondence the motion be postponed.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I do not wish to press the motion for the printing; it can be moved to-morrow if my right hon. friend would like to have an opportunity to look over the correspondence. I suggest, however, that the first part of the resolution, in respect to the correspondence laid on the table yesterday and to which my right hon. friend has no objection, be adopted.

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LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The motion will therefore read:

That one thousand copies in the English language and five hundred copies in the French language of the correspondence between the government of Canada and the British government in regard to the subject of ocean rates, and especially in relation to the Imperial Shipping Committee, laid on the table of the House on Monday, the ninth of March, be printed forthwith, and that rule 74 be suspended in relation thereto.

Is it the pleasure of the House, by unanimous consent, to adopt the motion as amended?

Motion, as amended, agreed to.

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PENSIONS AND RE-ESTABLISHMENT

March 10, 1925