May 6, 1926

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER:

Put it on anyway.

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Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

You have been urging that for years, but I defy you to do it.

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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

Oh, well, these autocrats of the west I

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Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

It might

suit the west very well, but not my hon. friend.

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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

I would be one of the first

to advocate a national policy in everything if it would pay.

Topic:   THE BUDGET
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE ON THE ANNUAL
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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

Pay whom?

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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

The people.

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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

What people, the farmers?

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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

All the workers. The hon.

gentleman cannot get out of his head the idea that all Canada is contained in St. James street, Montreal, or in Toronto.

Topic:   THE BUDGET
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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

I cannot get this into my

head, that it is entirely contained in Saskatchewan.

Topic:   THE BUDGET
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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

I was going on to say a

little more about the milling industry. That is not the only steal indulged in by the milling industry of the Dominion. In western Canada they have elevators constructed at the points where the wheat of the highest milling value is produced. They have mills at the largest centres also on the prairies, where they buy all the wheat they can get. In this way they skim the cream of the crop here and ship for export what they do not like for themselves, thereby lowering the price, because our price is based on the lowest type of each grade that goes out for export. They also, some of them, have terminal elevators where they mix what they send for export to the lowest possible point for which they can get a certificate, and our price is based on that; and they buy the cream of the crop back home at the price of the grade which they have thus debased. But what is true of wheat is true also of every other protected industry. It is true even of the other natural products that the farmer himself raises. The relative price of oats to oatmeal and rolled oats is a little worse than wheat to flour, or hides to harness and boots and shoes. All these things are out of proportion. The very product of the farm is used to farm the farmer with, and this cannot forever go on. We give all our manufacturers a price-fixing power without any contract being entered into as to the relative cost of the raw material or the amount of labour they should be responsible for. Surely the time has come when this

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nation will reconsider the asinine stupidity of giving any class a blanket right to exploit the lives of its people in the future as in the past.

Canada is a country where manufacturing can be carried on quite as advantageously as in any other country. I say this despite all the howls of ruin indulged in by the manufacturers and their representatives in this House. We have been inundated during the last two or three years with literature regarding the dying state of the cotton and woollen industries. Let us see how some of them stand to-day. Let us 6ee how some of them have fared since 1921 when this government began "monkeying" with the tariff and when they created an "instability", as I think it is called. Montreal cottons is the first I have on my list. The lowest quotation of its stock in 1921 was 90, and in 1925 it went up to 116. Penman's common stock in 1921 was quoted at 91, and in 1925 that stock was quoted at 185. Does this look like ruin? The lowest quotation for Penman's preferred in 1921 was 78, but in 1925 it was quoted as high as 103.

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Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

You are giving the lowest in one case and the highest in the other, are you not?

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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

In 1925 the highest was 103 and the lowest 99.

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Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

That comes nearer to it.

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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

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Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

Does the hon. gentleman think that indicates increasing prosperity on the part of the industry?

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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

Well, I do not know why people would be buying the stock at an increased price unless such was the case.

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Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

I could furnish an explanation quickly.

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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

It seems to me that the more ruinous legislation this government brings in, the better these industries thrive. Such are some of the facts as they stand to-day. I would not have spoken on the budget this year but for the fact that the wail of the industrial lords filled the House.

Mr. H. G. Wells lately said he was out to salvage civilization before the disintegration became irreparable. Our ears are deafened

these days by the clamour of press, platform and parliament to quit our individual selfseeking, forget our vocational and class interests, stifle our sectionalism and devote ourselves to-what? To the welfare of the members of an acquisitive group arrogantly regarding themselves as the state, who, having control of all those agencies for the moulding of public opinion, try to make us believe that in doing so we are patriots when in truth both agriculturists and workers are made their slaves.

Topic:   THE BUDGET
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE ON THE ANNUAL
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Otto Baird Price

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PRICE:

May I ask the hon. gentleman a question? The mileage from Regina to Fort William over the Canadian railways is 776 miles, and the freight rate twenty cents per hundred pounds. The mileage from Glasgow, Montana, to Duluth is 783 miles, or seven miles farther, and the rate is thirty-five cents per hundred pounds over the American roads. Would the hon. gentleman suggest a further reduction in the Canadian rates? -

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Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE ON THE ANNUAL
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May 6, 1926