April 1, 1927

LIB
CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

And naturally (he rates

will be made as attractive as possible. I have no further objection to offer.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

With reference to the

question raised by the hon. member for Lethbridge, as to whether any elevators that may be established will come under the grain commissioners, I would remind the minister that in 1925 when the new grain act went through -I am speaking from memory of course- provision was made for putting all harbour commission elevators under the control of that board. It may be necessary to include in this bill a section putting in the same category the elevators in this case. I will look up the act of 1925 and in the meantime perhaps the minister will let this section stand.

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

On the third reading of

the bill we can deal with my hon. friend's suggestion.

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UFA

Section agreed to. Sections 2 to 5 inclusive agreed to. On section 6-Harbour limits defined.


CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

Are there any parts of the harbour that are exempted?

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

None excepting the ferry

landing and certain lots for fishing purposes.

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Section agreed to. On section 13-Expropriation of land.


CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

Is not the expropriation

power given to the corporation in this section too wide? If the power to expropriate is made subject to the approval of the governor in council I shall 'be perfectly satisfied. In New Brunswick it has not been customary to grant such power to private corporations or public corporations without the consent of the governor in council. That is the only suggestion I have to make with regard to this clause.

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

The clause as framed is

practically a reproduction of the clause which appears in the statutes relating to other har-

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St. John Harbour Commission

hour commissions. We thought it would not be fair to place the harbour commission of St. John in a different position from that of other harbour commissions.

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CON

Section agreed to. Sections 14 to 32 inclusive agreed to. On the preamble.


UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

Before the preamble is

carried I would ask if there should not be a provision in the bill for an annual audit of accounts of the harbour board?

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

There is already provision

for an audit in the Revenue and Audit Act. My hon. friend will also find that there is provision in one of the clauses for an officer of the Marine and Fisheries department making an investigation and audit of the books and affairs of the harbour commission. I think therefore, that the question of an audit is already adequately provided for. However, the matter can be raised again on the third reading of the bill if my hon. friend deems it necessary to take that course.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

It is quite proper that

an officer of the department should make an independent audit, but what I had reference to more particularly was the desirability of an annual audit. If the minister will find out whether these harbour commissions come under the Audit Act and will let us know when the bill comes up for third reading, I think that will be satisfactory.

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

I can state to my hon.

friend now that they do come under the Audit Act.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

There is another point

I may as well bring forward at this particular time, and that is that members of the House should have a little more information with regard to the financial standing of these harbour commissions, which are very important bodies having the control of public property. But we do not get any reports from them as to their financial condition and how they carry on their business. I would suggest to the minister that it might be advisable to supply hon. members with a copy of the annual statement of the different harbour commissions so that we can get in better touch with the business they are doing. I am satisfied that would save a good deal of trouble both to the minister and to the commisioners

themselves. If we are in possesion of full information on these matters we would prdb-ably not be so suspicious as we are sometimes inclined to be.

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

I think it is already

provided that information of the character asked for shall be supplied to members of the House.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

In that case I shall

only ask that the minister ascertain whether an audit is provided for under the Audit Act and give us that information when the motion for third reading is made.

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April 1, 1927