April 1, 1927


Section agreed to. Bill reported, read the third time and passed.


SALE AND INSPECTION OF AGRICULTURAL ECONOMIC POISONS


Hon. W. R. MOTHERWELL (Minister of Agriculture) moved that the House go into committee to consider the following proposed resolution: Resolved, that it is expedient to bring in a measure to regulate the sale and inspection of poisons represented as a means for preventing, destroying, repelling or mitigating fungi, weeds, insects, rodents, or other plant or animal pest, collectively or individually affecting agriculture, and to provide for registration, the payment of fees thereon, and penalties for infraction of the act. Motion agreed to and the House went into committee, Mr. Johnston in the chair.


LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

This is a resolution upon which a bill is to be based that will be referred to the committee on agriculture. It deals with agricultural poisons such as potato and apple sprays, and insecticides and fungicides generally. It is proposed to enact this bill very much after the manner of the act respecting fertilizers, and it will be regulatory in its character. Certain penalties will be provided for infractions of the law, and authority will be given to make regulations.

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CON

Peter McGibbon

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McGIBBON:

Has there been no control at all over these matters in the past?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

No, there has been no legislation with respect to them in the past. These poisons are exclusive of poisons handled by medical men, veterinarians and druggists.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

What is contemplated

by "controlling the sale" under this resolution?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Well, all these who have these poisons for sale will have to be registered.

Mr. 'GARDINER: That is the point I

want to get at. In western Canada, for example, the municipalities sometimes secure and sell strychnine for the -destruction of gophers. Would they have to be registered?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Thej poisons include those for the destruction of rodents, gophers and the like. Some of the poisons that have been on the market in the past are, -it is claimed, more conducive to fattening the gophers than killing them.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

The minister did not

catch my point. I am asking particularly with respect to municipalities in western Canada. Will they have to be registered under this act, the same as druggists, if they sell gopher poisons?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

If they sell poisons by retail I presume they will have to come under the act. I forget the terms of the bill, whether they make that plain or not, but all retail dealers selling these poisons will be expected to register. However, when the bill goes to committee that point will be elucidated.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

I should like to say

for tire information of the minister that in western Canada we formerly had to pay a high price for gopher poison, and the government of Saskatchewan passed -legislation to allow the municipalities to secure the po-ison and sell it to residents. All I want to make sure of is -that provision be made that these municipalities may buy and resell this poison.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

When the bill goes to the committee on agriculture there will be ample opportunity to consider its provisions.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

What is the object of this proposition? Is it to protect the gophers who have been provided wth poison, or something called poison, which fattens them? What is the purpose of this proposed legislation?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

My hon. friend

wants to make a little fun about this matter.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

Not at all.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

The chief industries that have asked for this provision, and have been doing so for three or four years, are the fruit growers and the potato growers of Canada. Their sprays are of vital importance to them. Unless they are able to spray successfully their fruit and potatoes it is all day with those products. We want it to be all day with the gophers and the bugs rather than the fruit and potato crops. That is the purpose of the proposed bill.

1774 COMMONS

Marine and Fisheries Department

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George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

Does the minister mean that the sprays that have been sent out lor use in orchards have not been of any value, or that they have been dangerous when used?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

There has been no law in the past regulating the component parts of these poisons to determine whether they were poisonous or whether they were really foods. The result is that growers have been spraying their apple trees, and sometimes their potatoes, with preparations which were not posionous at all, and sometimes, as a result of spraying with ineffective poisons, they lost their crop. It is proposed to enact that those who undertake to sell such poisons shall put up preparations that are what they purport to be and that will be effective.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

I should like to back up

what the minister has said. Fruit growers associations, I think, have been endeavouring to get this legislation put through for the last two or three years. I am glad the minister is introducing a bill of this kind, and I hope it will be effective for the purpose for which it is intended.

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April 1, 1927