April 10, 1928

LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

It is not

duplicating the legislation. I will bring down a list of the orders in council.

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Motion agreed to, bill read the second time and the house went into committee thereon, Mr. Johnston in the chair.


LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Mr. Chairman, as I have already pointed out to the house, the object of the bill is simply to validate certain regulations and orders in council, and before it is again taken up by the committee I shall bring down a number of those documents for inspection. I move that the committee rise and report progress.

Progress reported.

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LOWER EAR FALLS STORAGE DAM


Hon. CHARLES STEWART (Minister of the Interior) moved that the house go into committee to consider the following proposed resolution: Resolved, that the agreement between the Dominion of Canada, the province of Ontario and the province of Manitoba respecting the construction of a dam for the purposes of conservation, regulation and power, at Lower Ear falls at the outlet of Lac Seul in the province of Ontario, be ratified and confirmed, and that the governor in council be authorized to carry out the provisions thereof whereby the Dominion assumes three-fifths of the capital cost of the dam, estimated at $700,000, and the payment of interest and cost of operation and maintenance for certain limited periods. Motion agreed to and the house went into committee, Mr. Johnston in the chair.


CON

John Wesley Edwards

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EDWARDS (Frontenac):

Is $700,000

the total cost or does it represent the three-fifths to be assumed by the Dominion?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

No, $500,000 is our responsibility in the matter. The engineers apportioned $200,000 to Ontario.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Will the minister kindly state the terms of the agreement?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

It is similar to the agreement with respect to the lake of the Woods, and the work will be controlled by the same body under the same set of circumstances, except that the Dominion government is not assuming any responsibility because this Lac Seul storage is not considered to be navigable water. Under the arrangement relative to the lake of the Woods storage, the Dominion government became responsible for one-third of the cost attributable to navigation. In this case all the costs are

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borne by the interested parties, namely, the power companies in the province of Manitoba and the power companies to be created in the province of Ontario. The Dominion government is not contributing anything to this particular scheme. The construction will be carried out by the Ontario government under the supervision, I believe, of its hydro engineers.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Then the resolution is not quite correct when it is suggested that there will be no cost. The resolution provides that the Dominion government shall assume three-fifths of the capital cost of the dam.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Yes, we

are putting up the money; we shall have to vote $500,000. It will be repaid to the Dominion by the Manitoba power interests. We are doing this because the Dominion government owns and controls the water powers of Manitoba. All the parties are in agreement regarding the creation of this storage, and the Ontario government having passed the necessary legislation, which has received the assent, all that remains is for this parliament to carry out its part. I do not know that there are any unusual particulars in the bill.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Will the agreement be

attached to the bill?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Yes.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Then we can discuss it

in connection with the bill.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

I presume this legislation is intended for the development of power. Will that power be under the joint control of Manitoba and Ontario, or will it be controlled by the Dominion government and Ontario?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Until such

time as the Manitoba government shall have secured its natural resources the control will be under the Dominion for the power users of that province, in the same way as the lake of the Woods.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

What is the policy

of the federal government regarding power development in the prairie provinces? Is it the policy to give private interests the control of that power, or otherwise?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

The policy

of the government has been, whenever any application has been made for the development of any given power, first to notify the provincial government and then to keep them informed of every stage of the development.

If they require the power for their own use they, of course, are given the first opportunity of securing it; if not the policy is to deal with private interests.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Beyond question, the

agieement will be attached to the bill?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Yes.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in. Mr. Stewart (Edmonton) thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 195, an act to facilitate the provision of storage in Lac Seul in the province of Ontario, and to repeal the Lake of the Woods Regulation Act, 1921.

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

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April 10, 1928