May 3, 1928

CON
LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

I am bound to say it is

not absolutely satisfactory.

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UFA

George Gibson Coote

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. COOTE:

I can assure the minister

there is something wrong with the system in the building as a whole. I know that in some of the lavatories upstairs more than half the time the air, instead of being drawn from the lavatory through the ventilator, comes through the ventilator into the lavatory. There is obviously something wrong with a system when it works backwards in that way. The sergeant-at-arms is acquainted with the situation and on many occasions he has sent someone to correct it. I do not know how it is done. It will work all right for a day or a day and a half, but the next time you go back you find the current of air reversed in the manner I have indicated.

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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

It would not be so

unbearable of an evening here if the air were not heated so much. Is the minister aware that this evening, for the third time this week, the thermometer has been 74i? The difference between 64 and 74 seems to make all the difference between reasonable comfort and absolute misery.

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CON

Martin James Maloney

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MALONEY:

In addition to the

vitiated state of the atmosphere there is another-a worse-feature. I refer to the acoustic properties of the chamber. Here is a room which has cost the country many

thousands of dollars and I doubt whether there is in Canada another room of its size where a voice carries a shorter distance than it does in this chamber.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Louder.

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CON

Martin James Maloney

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MALONEY:

The day has come when our voice should be heard. [DOT] The day has come also when we must provide accommodation for a library of parliament. At the present time we have a building allocated for this purpose, a building which has been filling rapidly and is now taxed almost to capacity.

I offer this suggestion to the minister for his consideration: convert this chamber into a real library and convert the present library into a chamber, after the style of the old amphitheatre, where the boys will have to stand up on a pedestal before the crowd and say what they know. That would give us a chance to make our voices heard.

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UFA

Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY:

I do not want to see the Bureau of Statistics removed from a position a few hundred yards distant to a place a few miles away from the House of Commons without making a protest. I know of no department that means more to us than the Bureau of Statistics. We are always dealing with figures and facts from which we make our own deductions and it is quite important that we should be able to keep in touch with the bureau. It is true that we shall be able to do so by telephone or by letter, but some of us find it much more convenient to discuss matters personally with someone who is conversant with the facts, and to get our information at firsthand in that way. If the bureau is moved out two miles, which I think is about the distance, it will be almost impossible for members to take the time to go there to discuss matters with the officials who have the desired facts. I do not see why it would not be possible to rush the construction of this departmental building in order to have the bureau located within a reasonable distance of the House of Commons.

Mr. ElLLIOTT: The present building must be moved away before the departmental building can be erected, because the latter will be constructed partly on the present site of the statistical branch.

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UFA

Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY:

I understand that, but I also understood the minister to say that they were fixing up this building in New Edinburgh to provide for the accommodation of the bureau for a number of years, so to all intents and purposes this will be its permanent location.

Supply-Public Works-Ontario

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

That will be so for a number of years, at any rate.

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UFA

Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY:

I am very much dissatisfied with that arrangement; I think it is wrong.

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UFA

Henry Elvins Spencer

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPENCER:

Would the minister inform the committee who owns the building which it >s proposed to buy?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

The Gatineau Power Company.

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UFA

Henry Elvins Spencer

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPENCER:

Who are the people behind the Gatineau Power Company?

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John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

The International Paper

Company.

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CON

George Spotton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPOTTON:

I hesitate to add to the discomfort of the Minister of Public Works, and I am not going to discuss this particular item. However, all these items have been rolling through and I have not noticed any appropriation for a post office in the village of Brussels in the riding of North Huron, which was most urgently needed in the first few weeks of September last. I am not accusing the Minister of Public Works of promising this post office, but I did call upon him and upon the Prime Minister through the press to say to the people in my riding that money would be provided where needed regardless of any political consideration. A number of years ago the government purchased a site in Brussels on which stood a building unfit even for a common livery stable.

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

Can my hon. friend tell me the year?

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CON
LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

The government were not so carefpl then.

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George Spotton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPOTTON:

Quite so, and we will just drop it at that for the present. At any rate, the government of Canada thought this village needed a post office, and during the first few weeks of September 1027 most hon. gentlemen opposite were fully convinced of that fact, although I am not charging the Minister of Public Works with making any such statement. However, he did not slap any of his confreres on the wrist when they promised it. We already own this site, in a prosperous section of this province and surely we could complete that project before we start to tear down public buildings in Ottawa, and before we erect other buildings all over the country. According to press reports men have been going to such places as the village

of Arthur and the town of Southampton to look for sites for public buildings, but I find that in Brussels, where a post office is expected, where the goods were delivered, and, where a post office is needed, we own a site containing a ramshackle building, and I can find nothing in the estimates to construct this post office. The Minister of Finance says that we have emerged from poverty into prosperity; the treasury of Canada is heaped up, pressed down and flowing over, and I would like to ask the Minister of Public Works, in this great period of prosperity when we are buying buildings costing a million and a quarter to tear down, when we may expect him to take into consideration the completion of this work which was started by the government some years ago. I believe the revenue from this village is good; every person representing the government early in September was convinced that a post office was urgently needed and that if the proper thing were done a post office would be erected. The village of Brussels did the fit and proper thing; I am not twitting the government nor am I holding a post mortem in this chamber, but the fact is that an urgent canvass was made; a minister .of the crown visited that village on election morning, got the factions together and a post office was definitely promised. If necessary I can bring affidavits from a few hundred men, regardless of their political affiliations, stating that that is the fact. I do not accuse the Minister of Public Works of making any public promises in my riding; he made no statement in connection with public buildings, but I think before we spend money so recklessly and extravagantly in buying buildings like the Russell house at one million and a quarter dollars only to wreck them, the good citizens of North Huron should be considered and an amount should be placed in the supplementary estimates for a public building in the village of Brussels.

The province of Ontario is being penalized. During the war a previous government voted 8336,000 annually for agricultural education, but, now that the war is over even though the treasury is overflowing that amount is cut off, and we are told that the contribution for technical education is to cease. I would ask the Minister of Public Works to take this matter into his serious consideration.

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May 3, 1928