Mr. ILSLEY:

The principle introduced by

subsection (b) of the new section 3 was up last year, and I think at that time it was pretty well understood that the compulsory element was not being introduced. Certainly I have no objection at all to legislation being

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enacted to carry out the object mentioned in the explanatory comment; but I do object to subsection (b) of section 3. It enables an oganization, which may not be at all representative of the shippers and the producers, to pass, at a meeting perhaps very slimly attended, a resolution upon which the government may act by order in council, although the great majority of the producers of the province may be opposed. I am informed that in Prince Edward Island, to which this applies to a large extent, there is no demand for such a provision. There were, I believe, a few resolutions from New Brunswick; I do not know whether there were any from British Columbia. But so far as Nova Scotia is concerned, the province from which I come, the potato growers will not want the government to take power by order in council to compel all shippers, at a fee of so much per barrel, to submit their produce to inspection.

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

We are following

exactly the same course which we take in respect to all our export surpluses, such as butter, cheese, eggs and so forth. Where-ever there is a very decided objection as was the case in Nova Scotia in the matter of fruit, we exempt that territory until pressure from the rest of Canada becomes so strong that, in the interests of the country as a whole, it is felt that the provision should apply throughout the Dominion. That time has not yet arrived and we have not applied the law to Nova Scotia as regards fruit. Surely, then, my hon. friend can trust us to follow the same course with respect to vegetables; it seems to me to be the least objectionable course to take. The rest of Canada -British Columbia-will have a greater grievance against us for not making the application general than my hon. friend has against us for wishing to apply it to the maritime provinces. The great majority in the maritimes now desire to have certificates. My hon. friend (Mr. Barber) is a produce man and he knows the value of certificates; they do not ensure perfection, but they are a tremendous factor in facilitating our export trade.

Mr. ILSLEY:

It is admitted that in the

maritime provinces most of the shippers are requiring certificates. But, inasmuch as the explanatory section states that the practice is not legal, and you wish to legalize it, why not legalize it without going very much further?

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I have a number of recommendations from Prince Edward

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Island-they come from Charlottetown and other places-asking for this law. The communications come from a wide range of places throughout Canada, and we have been getting them for a number of years. This is the seventh year in which the demand has been repeated. In fact, if you go back over the years to the previous government, you will find that in the session of 1920-21 a bill was brought down. It did not go through; but finally, as one district after another has come to realize the advantage of a grading system, they are all rapidly falling into line. Now we are endeavouring to crystallize the desire into law, and I trust there will be no serious objection.

Mr. FOSTER:

I come from a district that grows potatoes, and I can assure you that the people there are clamouring for inspection. In my own town both shippers and growers are demanding it. I believe it is a good thing. As it is now, one buyer wishes to have inspection, while another takes the attitude that he can get by without it, and the result is that he is likely to ship inferior produce.

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

This and the ensuing sections are merely clerical changes to give a wider definition.

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

The penalty applies to the regulations as well as to the act.

Mr. HUBBS:

For a return showing the names and present addresses of all officers of the C.E.F. who have had their pensions reduced under section 14, subsection 1, of the Pensions Act, which reads: "Pensions shall be paid to, and in respect of a member of the forces, in accordance with the rank or acting rank, for which he was being paid pay and allowances at the time of the appearance of the injury or disease for which he is pensioned."

Unopposed Motions jor Papers

Mr. GOTT (for Mr. Church):

For a copy of all correspondence, letters, agreements, telegrams, orders in council and all other documents during the years 1927, 1928 and 1929 between the government of Canada or any member thereof or any official thereof and the president, directors or other officials of the Bell Telephone Company of Canada or any other person or persons regarding their application for increase to seventy-five millions of the capital stock of the said company and/or in relation to their application for legislation of 1928 and 1929.

Mr. GOTT (for Mr. Church):

For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams, leases, agreements, reports, orders in council, and all other documents between the Minister of the Interior or any other member of the government of Canada and the government of Manitoba or any member or official thereof and any other person or persons in relation to the Seven Sisters Falls in the province of Manitoba, or any leases or grants in relation thereto.

Mr. GOTT:

For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams, reports, recommendations, communications or other documents of any kind pertaining to any transaction between the government of Canada and the Canadian Tobacco Growers Co-operative Company, of Kingsville, Ontario, both prior to and following their assignment.