March 1, 1929

LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I propose to refer the

bill to the standing committee on railways and canals, where all the information requested by my bon. friend, together with everything else, will be made available by the officers of the company who are recommending the purchase.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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CON

Thomas Erlin Kaiser

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KAISER:

But we are not all members of that committee.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I will undertake to see

that these specific questions are answered, and I am sure also that some member of the committee will bear them in mind.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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UFA

Henry Elvins Spencer

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPENCER:

Has this particular line

been on a paying basis up to the present?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I cannot give my bon.

friend the exact details, but I think there is no doubt about it; my answer would be yes. There is no doubt as to the opinion of the management of the Canadian National railways that they can make this a very important link in the system, particularly from the viewpoint of a saving in operating expenditure. The very important point is the economy in operation of the Levis division, estimated by the officers of the company at $150,000 a year, which will be made possible by the acquisition of this line. There is the further feature that this line represents practically a water grade along the south shore of the St. Lawrence between Montreal and Quebec. A grade of four-tenths of one per cent is obtainable over the whole distance by only twenty miles of new construction, whereas the existing Canadian National grades are one per cent

on a division which is the third heaviest loaded on the whole system.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

What is the mileage

of this road?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I gave that a while ago; it is 110 miles with a branch of 81 miles, a total of 191 miles.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

What would be the

probable cost of the extra twenty miles necessary to make this effective?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I think one could say

roughly that $40,000 a mile would be a fair estimate of the cost. I cannot guarantee that figure, because I do not know the exact nature of the country.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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CON

William Alves Boys

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BOYS:

I believe the minister said a

four-tenths grade could be secured. What is the present grade on that twenty mile portion?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

The twenty miles of road are not built. The four-tenths grade applies over the 110 miles which would become Canadian National main line, as against a one per cent grade on the existing Canadian National main line.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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CON

Thomas Erlin Kaiser

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KAISER:

Has the minister any information as to the cost of that 2(Lmile stretch?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I believe there is no difficulty at all in that district.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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CON

George Reginald Geary

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEARY:

Does the minister mean to say that the Canadian National railways operate over 100 miles on a steady grade of one per cent, or is that the governing grade?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I did not say that. I will read again the exact statement of the company in this regard: "The Levis division is the third heaviest traffic division on the system, and consideration has been given for some time to the possibility of effecting grade revisions so as to reduce the grades on the present line between Montreal and Quebec." It mentions the one per cent grade, but when a railway man uses that term it means that one per cent is the controlling grade on the line, and not necessarily that the whole line is on an up-grade of one per cent.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in. Mr. Dunning thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 72, respecting Canadian National Railways and to authorize the acquisition of the Quebec, Montreal and Southern Railway.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   QUEBEC, MONTREAL AND SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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Motion agreed to, bill read the first and second times and referred to the select standing committee on railways, canals and telegraph lines. On motion of Mr. Mackenzie King the house adjourned at 5.15 p.m. Questions Monday, March 4, 1929


March 1, 1929