March 7, 1930

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order, order.

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Isaac Duncan MacDougall

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

If my hon. friend

had the opportunity-

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Isaac Duncan MacDougall

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

We will say then

that you are a labour man, according to your own lights. If you had an opportunity to

Australian Treaty-Mr. Young (Weyburn)

bring labour into Canada cheaper than the prevailing wage in Winnipeg, would you do it? You are asking for cheaper butter to be brought in. Would you do it in the case of labour?

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Herbert Bealey Adshead

Labour

Mr. ADSHEAD:

I am glad my hon. friend has put that question. I have had it put before. We prevent cheap labour, therefore cheap butter, cheap cattle-

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Isaac Duncan MacDougall

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

My hon. friend puts men and cattle on the same basis.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, oh.

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Herbert Bealey Adshead

Labour

Mr. ADSHEAD:

We do not place men

and cattle on the same basis. We do not regard men as a commodity to be bought and sold on the market, and that is the very statement made by my friend over there.

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Isaac Duncan MacDougall

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

I rise to a point of

order. I must insist on my hon. friend withdrawing that statement. If he is not prepared to make a better defence for the labour people of this country than that, he should certainly not try to pose in this parliament as a labour man.

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Herbert Bealey Adshead

Labour

Mr. ADSHEAD:

I object to the word

"pose"; it smacks of insincerity. However, I am quite satisfied with what my hon. friend may think. But that is the position, and it is an entirely different proposition between cattle and labour, because labour is human beings, and labour is not a commodity to be bought and sold on the market as cattle.

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Isaac Duncan MacDougall

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

I know the reason

why hon. friends opposite are so willing to rush to the rescue of the speaker.

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Isaac Duncan MacDougall

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

My hon. friend, by

his words, is in a sort of subterranean way-

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Isaac Duncan MacDougall

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

Well, I will say that the hon. gentleman, in an implied manner, suggests I was trying to put men and cattle in the same class. I absolutely deny that, and I wish you, Mr. Speaker, to ask him to withdraw that statement. I repudiate it absolutely.

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John Frederick Johnston (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER:

The point is

not well taken. The hon. member has the right to put his own construction on the remarks of any other hon. member. There is no attack in a direct way on the hon. member.

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Herbert Bealey Adshead

Labour

Mr. ADSHEAD:

In summarizing, Mr. Speaker, I would say, first of all, that those who desire higher tariffs appear before the

tariff board and ask for an increase in the tariff. The other point is, that a very large quantity of this butter, as far as I have been able to ascertain, is being reworked by the creameries themselves, that is, they are engaged in the business of importing this New Zealand butter. They are putting it up in their own packages. There is nothing to show that it is New Zealand butter. Speaking for the consumers who have to pay the price, it is high enough and it should be subject to the law of supply and demand the same as anything else.

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Edward James Young

Liberal

Mr. E. J. YOUNG (Weyburn):

This agitation for an increased duty on butter, and for the abrogation of the Australian treaty, did not originate among the daily farmers. It originated among, and was worked up by, men who make their money out of the dairy farmers.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Mr. Deachman.

Mr. YT)UNG (Weyburn): Last session

there were two items in the estimates to which I had occasion to call the government's attention. One was the grant of a certain amount of money to the Canadian Horticultural Council and the other the grant of a certain amount of money to the National Dairy Council. I drew the attention of the government at that time to the fact that both these organizations were using this money to carry on political propaganda in opposition to the avowed policies of this government. Unfortunately, the government did not see fit to take the warning, and they made the grants.

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March 7, 1930