March 13, 1930

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An hon. MEMBER:

What is the industry?

Topic:   TECHNICAL EDUCATION
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Thomas Erlin Kaiser

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KAISER:

Fittings Limited, makers of all kinds of fittings and castings. They are addressing themselves to the manufacture of some of the parts of automobiles that have

hitherto been made in the United States. These people asked for a technical school. Last year or the year before we spent $300,000 or $400,000 to build a technical school to turn out the youth of the land equipped to work in this particular industry. Owing to the drift of policy of the present government, a resolution came before the house a few days ago asking for a reduction in the tariff in regard to the goods that these people manufacture, and yesterday I received this telegram which I want to read:

Have just been instructed by Canadian supplier of transmissions for trucks to hold up orders for castings involving about 100 tons owing to possible revision of the duty to 6 per cent. This would be a serious blow to Canadian workmen and we respectfully urge vigorous opposition.

J. D. Storie.

That is the president of Fittings Limited. As I see this technical school arise, training our youth for work in this industry, and as I see this industry crumbling owing to the attitude, .policy and principles of the government, I say that the two things are absolutely inconsistent and we should vote exactly as they ask. Why should we spend our money in building technical schools when the government destroy the only industries in Canada that our boys can work in?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Hon. CHARLES STEWART (Minister of the Interior):

Mr. Speaker, one can derive a good deal of amusement from the statements of hon. gentlemen opposite. Let me deal just for a moment or two with the statement of the hon. member for Ontario (Mr. Kaiser) who has just addressed the house. He has accused the government of being guilty of bringing in a motion to reduce the tariff on automobiles.

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CON

Thomas Erlin Kaiser

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KAISER:

I beg the minister's pardon. I did not say the government. I said that a resolution was before the house along the line of the general policy of the government.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

If my hon. friend is imputing motives, I have no reply to make to that except to say that I am always in favour of reduction of duty, but that has nothing to do with the question before the house at the moment. As I understand the matter, my hon. friend is seriously supporting the motion of the hon. member for Vegreville (Mr. Luchkovich) and he finds a great deal of fault with the motion to which he has just referred, moved by the hon. member for Macfeod (Mr. Coote). Therefore,, if he is to be consistent, he cannot support, those hon. gentlemen in both motions.

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Technical Education-Mr. Stewart (Edmonton)

The motion before the house calls upon the government of Canada to give further consideration to technical education. I do not propose to make any lengthy statement with respect to technical education or its value to the Canadian people, but I wish to direct the attention particularly of the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Brady) and the hon. member for Ontario to the fact that there is a clear line of duty marked out for the federal government and the provincial authority. As the Minister of Finance (Mr. Dunning) has very properly said, the provinces have assumed continuously the responsibility for education, and I cannot conceive of any hon. member moving a resolution asking for federal aid to education. I was in identically the same position as the present Minister of Finance, in his capacity as a member of the provincial government, with respect to the grants by the federal government in aid of highway construction. There is no desire to avoid responsibility. I am a taxpayer in the province of Alberta, and I have no desire to avoid responsibility for taxation for carrying on technical education. As former premier of Alberta I am rather proud of the fact that we lent the aid, and furnished the money for the construction of the technical school which is now operating in Calgary and of which my hon. friend has spoken so glowingly to-night, and I am proud of the work it is doing for the youth of Alberta. But surely there is some place where the responsibility of the provinces ends and that of the federal government begins, and the responsibility in educational matters is not of federal concern. As I said the other day with respect to the motion dealing with grants towards highway construction, in all these matters it is the easiest thing in the world for an hon. member to rise in his place and call upon the federal government to make grants in respect to matters of provincial concern. Hon. gentlemen opposite have a habit of calling upon the federal government to provide, from taxes collected by it, grants to the provinces for matters that are purely of provincial concern.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

The government boasted

so much of its surplus.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Is that the reason?

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Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

That is one.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

May I point out that it was in my hon. friend's province that they boasted a great deal about the surplus shown in the budget recently presented to the legislature at Toronto? The hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Brady) waxed

eloquent to-night and called upon the people of Canada and high heaven to witness how recreant this government were in their duty, but only two days ago he was calling upon high heaven to witness how recreant we were because we were not building a road into Prince Rupert. High heaven witnesses a lot of recreancies of that character, and I have no doubt that if we were to meet his request he would come forward with some other resolution calling upon the government, because it happened to have a surplus, to make a grant to the provincial government for some other purpose.

May I say that so far as the duties of the federal and provincial authorities are concerned, if the provinces require more assistance, let them come forward and say so and I shall be glad to assist in having their subsidies increased. Let them do as they wish with the money grants.

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At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. Friday, March 14, 1930


March 13, 1930