Mr. SPEAKER:

Order.

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

Mr. Speaker,-

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. The hon. gentleman may interrupt only with the permission of the member who has the floor. I am protecting the hon. minister now just as I would protect the hon. member himself if he had the floor.

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

I rise to a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. SPEAKER:

Very well.

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

The hon. minister

said that I did not ask my question in a gentlemanly way.

You never asked his permission.

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

I did ask his permission, and then I asked him a question that he could not answer, or would not. As an excuse for not answering he says I did not ask him in a gentlemanly way. I submit, Mr. Speaker, that he should withdraw that remark.

Mr. HEENAN:

If it will satisfy the hon. member I will withdraw the remark and say he is a real gentleman. But when he asked

that question he knew very well that neither I nor any other man in Canada could answer it.

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

Why not? You are head of the Department of Labour.

Mr. HEENAN:

Because no method has yet been devised to secure registration of the unemployed in Canada.

Mr. STEVENS:

Will the minister permit a question?

Mr. HEENAN:

No.

Oh, oh.

Mr. STEVENS:

It does not pay to treat the minister as a gentleman, apparently.

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order.

Mr. HEENAN:

While we are on that question- *

What question?

Mr. HEENAN:

-I should like to read something that has just been clipped for me from the Nation of April 2, 1930. My hon. friends very often advise us to copy the United States, so I will read this article to show what high tariffs do to a country. This paper is published in New York, and I hope it is up to date enough for my hon. friends opposite. It says:

The unemployment situation is grave. Frances Perkins, industrial commissioner for New York, and John B. Andrews, secretary of the American Association for Labor Legislation, testifying before the senate committee on commerce, declare that conditions in New York city are the worst that they have been since 1914, and that they have been growing rapidly worse since October, when distress first appeared. Professor Benjamin M. Squires, of the University of Chicago, director of the Illinois state employment agency, testifies similarly that suffering from unemployment in Chicago is the most acute that it has been in ten years, and that Chicago is just like other industrial centres. The Family Welfare Association of America, a federation of 234 charity and welfare associations in more than 60 cities, reports an increase of 100 per cent in their expenditures for relief in January, 1930, as compared with those of January, 1929, and an increase of 200 per cent in the number of families in distress because of lack of work. Bread lines are crowded in the leading cities. The National Urban League estimates that there are at the least 330,000 Negroes with no wrork. The American Federation of Labour, on the basis of figures from twenty-four cities, announces 22 per cent of reporting members unemployed in February, against 20 per cent in January.

I may say at this point that our figures from trade unions show about 10 per cent unemployed, as against 22 per cent in the United States.

Unemployment-Mr. Heenan

Mr. CHAPLIN:

Those were broadcast to

you, I suppose.