May 12, 1930

CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

Oh, yes, it is a mystery.

I denied the statement of the hon. minister that -this budget would bring any trade to Great Britain. He referred especially to saw steel, and he told us that no one could deny that that item being in the British preference would bring trade to Great Britain. I know something about that business. Twenty years or more ago we purchased from Great Britain every pound of saw steel used in this country. For the last twenty years we have not followed that course. Why? In the first place, there are three or four American saw companies who have branch factories in Canada. The steel is manufactured by them in the United States and shipped to these factories. Does it seem reasonable that any one of those companies will buy British steel to manufacture saws in Canada, no matter what the duty may be.

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An hon. MEMBER:

It would come in at a cheaper rate.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

Why did we stop purchasing from Great Britain, especially when the duty was lower on goods imported from

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Great Britain than those imported from the United States? Did we do that because of a love for the United States? No, it was because of the necessity to continue in business-the steel had to be purchased at the cheapest price. British preference on saw steel is not going to bring any British steel into Canada. There are other things to be considered besides that of price. There is the closeness to the market which permits the carrying of small stocks. The purchasing of material in the old country necessitates buying twice a year, during the spring and the fall.

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LIB-PRO

John Livingstone Brown

Liberal Progressive

Mr. BROWN:

Is not the hon. gentleman afraid he is proving too much?

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

No," I am not. I am telling the facts and the truth about the matter, that is what counts.

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LIB-PRO

John Livingstone Brown

Liberal Progressive

Mr. BROWN:

And at the same time the hon. member is changing his tune.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

I am not changing my tune at all. The hon. minister who just spoke (Mr. Stewart) has changed his tune. That was the same gentleman who a few years ago sounded the death knell of protection. It was the same gentleman who was burying protection; he has resurrected it, he has breathed new life into it and it lives again. The hon. members on the other 9ide of the house are following him. They have turned protectionist. I do not say that they have stolen our policy, what I say is that they have paid us the greatest compliment by following in our footsteps and accepting our advice. If they stole anything they would not know what to do with it when they got it.

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An hon. MEMBER:

Perhaps the hon. member knows that better himself.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

When I first looked over the schedules attached to this budget by the Minister of Finance (Mr. Dunning) the first thing that came to my mind was the French treaty presented to us by the hon. Minister of Justice (Mr. Lapointe). That gentleman returned from France with a treaty which he inflicted upon this country. There was a list of over 250 articles contained in schedule B, but with the exception of two or three items, none of those articles has been manufactured in this country.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

My hon. friend should be careful; he was lost once in the bronze powder.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

There was only one item in the lot which the hon. gentleman could find to ibe incorrect. This treaty contained a list of over 200 articles which we were permitted to export to France under special trade conditions, and I repeat, Mr. Speaker, that out of that list there were not half a dozen which we manufactured, and only two or three which we have exported. Out of those two or three articles exported, only one or two have been exported to France. Is it any wonder that I suspect the Minister of Justice of having had something to do with this proposition of the British preference. The schedule contains dozens of articles which Great Britain will never send to us. Why have they been put there? I asked the hon. minister who has just spoken, and he said: what else could we do? The easiest thing would have been to strike them out of the tariff, but they did not do that. They wanted to swell and pad up the budget.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Is my hon. friend suggesting that they should be taken out of the tariff?

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

There is no reason in the world why that should not have been done.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Hay, for instance?

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

From England?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

But the tariff covers all countries.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Not the preferential

tariff.

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LIB-PRO

John Livingstone Brown

Liberal Progressive

Mr. BROWN:

They have been asking for an increase for the last two or three years.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

I would like to put on record some of the items included in the French treaty. I want to serve notice upon the government and upon the people of Canada that if this party ever comes into power that treaty will be abrogated.

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An hon, MEMBER:

That may be a long time.

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May 12, 1930